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syrinx said:
Yes and no. I never succeeded in getting a lush and romantic sound from it which basically was my issue with it. But that's what we have the Appassionata Strings for, I guess! DS is better for other things - maybe more intimate, gritty, action-oriented? These strings are great for what they are!

In some recent threads there was some really good results that really opened my eyes for what it can do well:

VSL Dimension Strings - divisi test demo and what's your mixing strategy?

I have fond memories of using VSL dry libraries - how complete and consistent the articulation sets were. Because of that consistency and dry sampled approach, it was possible to use articulation "micro switching" as a way to create character in performances, not just to select an articulation...
vi-control.net vi-control.net

Post in thread 'Infinite Series (Aaron Venture) thread'
https://vi-control.net/community/threads/infinite-series-aaron-venture-thread.86499/post-5481232

Edit: I hope this isn't too off topic of this thread!
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They definitely scratch that itch for intimate action strings, and have such fantastic dynamic range.

Welp I went for it.
 
Could anyone recommend the solo Euphonium and Bass Trumpet in an orchestral setting? How are the legatos?
 
mducharme said:
Yup I'm aware, but if the cost of purchasing the VI product and then upgrading to Synchron-ized is higher than just buying the Synchron-ized when it is on sale, and I'm never going to use the VI product and only the Synchron-ized one, then I might as well just wait until the Synchron-ized is on sale.
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Some of the single woodwinds are cheaper to buy as VI+sy-ized upgrade in this sale than last month's woodwinds sale.
 
Loerpert said:
Could anyone recommend the solo Euphonium and Bass Trumpet in an orchestral setting? How are the legatos?
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As someone who frequently uses euphonium in mock-ups, the VSL one is really good. Here's excerpts from some of my mock-ups.

Fast Legato
View attachment Euphonium Fast Legato.mp3

Slow Legato
View attachment Euphonium Slow Legato.mp3

Euphonium solo in Mars from the Planets
View attachment Mars Euphonium Solo.mp3

I used Berlin Studio as a reverb for this and other VI patches. If you're thinking of going all in with the VI Series, I highly recommend Berlin Studio while it's on sale now as it really gives life to the dry VI patches and is a staple in my setup.

Can't really speak for the Bass Trumpet as I never used it and music I've done mock-ups of never had it.
 
I'm considering to complete Brass I for €90 for the ensembles. The dynamic layers in the full solo instruments do make a difference compared to SE and I always liked the ensemble patches the best.
 
InsomniaEmperor said:
If you're thinking of going all in with the VI Series, I highly recommend Berlin Studio
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... and as we are talking about Vienna Instruments here, I think it's allowed to add that Vienna MIR Pro 3D will not only offer the same room as Berlin Studio (i.e. Teldex) from three perspectives, but also 400+ hand-crafted presets for (more or less) each and every Vienna Instrument available. Plus free positioning of both the instruments and the microphone(s), about 20 other world-class venues to choose from, full 3D compatibility, the option for GPU-based processing, and a beautiful GUI. 8-)
 
Marcus Millfield said:
There are a few instruments which don't have presets in the percussion libraries. But generally speaking you are correct.
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... that's the "more or less" part in my previous posting. ;) Some more exotic percussion instruments that don't have a "typical" spot in a classical orchestra setup, and Dimension Low Brass which should be used as one ensemble are the only exceptions that come to mind. But even then, there are a dozen so-called "General Purpose" presets that will get you started.
 
Dietz said:
... and as we are talking about Vienna Instruments here, I think it's allowed to add that Vienna MIR Pro 3D will not only offer the same room as Berlin Studio (i.e. Teldex) from three perspectives, but also 400+ hand-crafted presets for (more or less) each and every Vienna Instrument available. Plus free positioning of both the instruments and the microphone(s), about 20 other world-class venues to choose from, full 3D compatibility, the option for GPU-based processing, and a beautiful GUI. 8-)
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There's also the Teldex MIRx! Has been my go to for VI series for a long time. :)
 
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From the woodwind sale to this sale, I would like to complete my VI and Synchronized Special Editions but I feel like I'm not far along enough in writing to need them just yet. Last sale looking at Synchronized Woodwinds. This sale looking at getting the whole Solo string bundle.
 
crutos1 said:
How do VSL's chamber strings fare? Do the recordings at least sound like a super-small ensemble, a la Spitfire?
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You can check out VI Chamber Strings audio demos here:

CHAMBER STRINGS BUNDLE - Vienna Symphonic Library

Vienna's Chamber Strings Bundle provides a harmonious ensemble of 15 strings (6 violins, 4 violas, 3 cellos and 2 double basses) that covers nearly the entire spectrum of string chamber literature.
www.vsl.co.at www.vsl.co.at
 
Are there any examples of the VI Brass in closer mic contexts, like a big band ensemble or similar? Went through a ton of demos and they seem all pretty classical orientated. Makes sense, but wondering how flexible the recordings are.
 
fakemaxwell said:
Are there any examples of the VI Brass in closer mic contexts, like a big band ensemble or similar? Went through a ton of demos and they seem all pretty classical orientated. Makes sense, but wondering how flexible the recordings are.
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You're never going to get bigband out of these samples. They're focussed on orchestral, chamber music, small ensemble or solo stuff. Sound is too round. You can get a more hyped sound by mixing and processing.
 
Dietz said:
... and as we are talking about Vienna Instruments here, I think it's allowed to add that Vienna MIR Pro 3D will not only offer the same room as Berlin Studio (i.e. Teldex) from three perspectives, but also 400+ hand-crafted presets for (more or less) each and every Vienna Instrument available. Plus free positioning of both the instruments and the microphone(s), about 20 other world-class venues to choose from, full 3D compatibility, the option for GPU-based processing, and a beautiful GUI. 8-)
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You forgot to mention for about 5 times the price.
 
Dietz said:
My math says 3.3 times when you consider list prices without VAT, but yes, you get what you pay for. :)
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I love Mir Pro and agree its worth the price but if you're going to offer it up as a viable option to Berlin Studio, the completely different pricing tiers is pretty relevant. There's also the issue of system resources. BS is significantly less demanding in my experience than MIR PRO (as expected, its extremely high end software that does incredible things).

(Also, not that that it matters as I was speaking somewhat tongue in cheek but, but I see BS is 169 euro (list excl VAT) and MIR is 745. 745 is almost exactly 4.4 x 169. :) )
 
Thanks for your friendly posting. However, it seems as you are comparing prices with VAT / without VAT, and there is always the 24-track version of MIR 3D, which is on the list for less than € 296.- without VAT, not 745. (Edit: To avoid misunderstandings: You have to choose et least one RoomPack in addition. I have opted for the one that contains Teldex Studio Berlin in the little example I mentioned in my previous posting.)

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I also don't believe that MIR's convolver is less efficient under ceteris paribus conditions, but that's something I never tested myself, admittedly.

But since we've been talking about Vienna Instruments here in this thread, I do indeed think that MIR is the more viable option, as it fits the task like a glove. :)
 
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