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Instrument instances management in Studio One

I am not sure I understand your first point. Studio One does have an Instrument Track which is basically a midi track and audio track combined for that instrument.
No. Studio One has a MIDI track that sends to an instrument in the rack. There is no audio track, there is an audio channel in the mixer from the instrument in the rack.
 
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No. Studio One has a MIDI track that sends to an instrument in the rack. There is no audio track, there is an audio channel in the mixer from the instrument in the rack.
But it's all within one track right? Sorry I'm not understanding the difference? I'm able to add audio effects to an instrument track, hence it is an audio track no? But I can also add midi to it through the arranger window.
 
Nope. Tracks and Channels are different things. It's the same as a Cubase MIDI track sending to the rack, where the instrument outputs are in the mixer.

It confuses a lot of users coming from other workstations where the instruments are inline and there is always a 1-to-1 relationship.
 
Studio One Instrument Tracks: If you recall, Cubase started out the same way, having a MIDI track that connects to an instrument in the rack. After years of complaints they added the 'Instrument Track' a self contained MIDI track with the instrument in-line. This is one of the main complaints about Studio One that there is no in-line instrument option like so many other sequencers. Studio One's instrument track is equivalent to Cubase's MIDI track.
My Cubase days were many years ago, but I think Cubase MIDI tracks are very different. I would describe Studio One's instrument tracks as a mixture between MIDI tracks and instrument tracks in Cubase. In Studio One, if you only have one track per instrument you can select the instrument track and its corresponding instrument channel is automatically selected in the mixer. Also, renaming and changing colors reflects on the track/channel. It should feel as a 1:1 relationship as long as you don't add additional tracks or multi outs for this instrument.

Cubase's MIDI tracks (at least in the versions that I worked with until 2010) don't select their instrument channel counterparts if you select a track (and vice versa). Instead, Cubase shows MIDI tracks in the mixer and allows adjusting the volume (along with other MIDI adjustments) which basically sends CC messages on this MIDI track.
 
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I wasn't talking selection, I was talking in-line instruments vs rack instruments. Cubase has both, Studio One does not.

"MIDI on timeline > Instrument Rack > Instrument Output > Mixer"

Of course, beyond that comparison Cubase's MIDI is different because it also has MIDI faders and quite a few other things Studio One doesn't have but the basic foundation is the same, the rack paradigm.

But we can agree to disagree about that.
 
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I wasn't talking selection, I was talking in-line instruments vs rack instruments. Cubase has both, Studio One does not.

"MIDI on timeline > Instrument Rack > Instrument Output > Mixer"

Of course, beyond that comparison Cubase's MIDI is different because it also has MIDI faders and quite a few other things Studio One doesn't have but the basic foundation is the same, the rack paradigm.

But we can agree to disagree about that.
But what benefit do you get? Like Lukas said I'm finding it hard to see how that's advantageous over Studio One. In fact Studio One, to me, makes it more logical cause it's only one track both in the mixer and the arranger. When you select, rename, change track colours... All of it is reflected for that track no matter if it's in the mixer or the arranger.

Also, you have a list of all your instruments in Studio One so it behaves like a rack. And, Studio One allows you to layer multiple instruments together and split them by keyboard region or even just layer them together, and each instance of Kontakt can have its own effects and everything. But all these instances of Kontakt will share just one instrument track. Studio One calls it Multi-Instrument. I don't think Cubase has this?
 
Well thank you everyone. I understand the limitation on the multi track automation view, but I can definitely live with it.
I managed to get a really good grasp on managing the tracks and the instrument and all in all I fell I starting to love evrything about it.
I started to have other questions that I found answers to really easily, like making the folders behave like bus and things of the sort.
Really getting excited about this DAW I have to say
 
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Midi Channels: Another arguably not so great design choice is that that Studio One doesn't channelize MIDI at the event level. In other words, you can't have a single track or event sending out data on multiple MIDI channels.
I'm not sure if I understand this correctly but with SO's Sound Variations to can at least route articulations to different MIDI channels as Lukas explains here:
 
I get the feeling that some here may think I'm bashing Studio One. :) Nothing could be farther from the truth. Not only am I a long time user - since v1 - with the clear exception of Lukas, I may have the most functional Studio One setup of any user. I write tools for myself and I don't share them anymore so I have tools that no other user has.

An example shown below is my custom MIDI toolbar which has a Legato function that is far better than the stock Legato function and some other functions that don't exist in Studio One.

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Studio One is a great product but it definitely has it's flaws and shortcomings, as do they all.
 
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I get the feeling that some here may think I'm bashing Studio One. :) Nothing could be farther from the truth. Not only am I a long time user - since v1 - with the clear exception of Lukas, I may have the most functional Studio One setup of any user. I write tools for myself and I don't share them anymore so I have tools that no other user has.

An example shown below is my custom MIDI toolbar which has a Legato function that is far better than the stock Legato function and some other functions that don't exist in Studio One.

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Studio One is a great product but it definitely has it's flaws and shortcomings, as do they all.
Hey Lawrence not at all. I think we are just trying to understand the benefits and advantages to how Cubase treats Instruments vs how Studio One does. Could you please elaborate on your previous posts of how it's a disadvantage for Studio One in how it treats it's instrument tracks? I'm really interested because I have both Cubase and Studio One, Studio One being my primary DAW of choice. Knowing this advantage might help me choose one over the other for a particular project if I know that particular advantage. Thank you.
 
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