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Hello, I m currently heavily evaluating Studio One, and although things seems very promising, I m affraid of a philosophical thing that could slow down my usual way of doing things. By default S1 seems to be oriented toward multiple instrument track sharing same instance of the VST instrument. I do not work this way, I like my instance per track, and definitely be mostly 1 to 1 between console track and editor instrument track, mainly for mixing purpose, having console and track mixing on each instruments available at all time.
Studio One allows this with some limitation IMO, as for instance
- Duplication of instrument track from the editor will reuse the same instance. I cannot find a way that duplication would actually create a new instance. Same for multi instrument track creation, I cannot find a way that they d be created with a unique instance on each.
- Also and linked to this disconnect, it feels pretty cumbersome to delete instrument tracks based on this. You have to delete the tracks, then you have to delete all your console instrument instances. And I could not find a way to multi delete them. Seems that you need to be in the instrument little panel, click the arrow, one by one, to remove.
- The naming disconnect is solved by the multi track selection in editor and apply name to channels, which is a bug few. I still hope there is a way to solve the 2 above.

Thank you !
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When I started with SO I also found difficult to understand the difference between tracks and channels but now I'm very happy with this behaviour. As you, I prefer one instrument for each track.

Maybe these tutorials could help you as helped me to solve the problem:



 
Hi r-sd,
r-sd said:
By default S1 seems to be oriented toward multiple instrument track sharing same instance of the VST instrument. I do not work this way, I like my instance per track
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not really. Studio One leaves it completely up to you which workflow you prefer. Multitimbral, one instance per track, multiple outputs (channels) per instance/track... as you like. Instead of Duplicate, you can select Duplicate (complete). This duplicates the track with a new instance of the instrument.

r-sd said:
- Also and linked to this disconnect, it feels pretty cumbersome to delete instrument tracks based on this. You have to delete the tracks, then you have to delete all your console instrument instances.
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No. You can choose Remove Track and Instrument instead (I always use the right-click menu). No multiple actions necessary. I assigned Shift+Alt+T to this so I can do it with a keyboard shortcut.

Shortcuts are something I recommend taking a look at, even if you're just getting started. It's very easy to assign keyboard shortcuts to any command you want (even "hidden" ones that don't appear in any menu), and can help a lot to get faster, especially with simple repetitive tasks.

r-sd said:
And I could not find a way to multi delete them. Seems that you need to be in the instrument little panel, click the arrow, one by one, to remove.
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You wouldn't have to. You can click the arrow and select Remove unused.

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r-sd said:
- The naming disconnect is solved by the multi track selection in editor and apply name to channels, which is a bug few. I still hope there is a way to solve the 2 above.
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If there's only one channel for one track, renaming the track should also rename the channel as well and vice versa.

I hope that helps!
 
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One more video on this topic that might be helpful:



And if you like, there are even more "tracks & channels" tutorials. I have seen that this topic sometimes leads to confusion and have created a separate category for it.

s1toolbox.com

Tracks and Channel Tutorials | Studio One Toolbox

Studio One Toolbox - View song details online, export Presets and Sound Variations, download Studio One Scripts and search our Video Tutorial Database!
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Lukas has answered all your questions. All that you say is possible in Studio One and it makes sense as well. I have tried out Cubase but I sometimes find it a little bit of a pain because I've gotten used to Studio One's workflow, which is really smooth. I love the midi editing and things like that in Studio One. The Record Mix where you can record over already pre-existing midi clips but record only the CC. And the recording will start when you change the CC values. Cubase messes this up if you do this. You gotta delete the CC data before you re-record it. Small things like this really make Studio One amazing... And... The macros are really powerful in Studio One. I'm not sure if I've got the right Lukas here but Lukas has some wicked macros for Studio One that add so much functionality.
 
Lukas said:
One more video on this topic that might be helpful:



And if you like, there are even more "tracks & channels" tutorials. I have seen that this topic sometimes leads to confusion and have created a separate category for it.

s1toolbox.com

Tracks and Channel Tutorials | Studio One Toolbox

Studio One Toolbox - View song details online, export Presets and Sound Variations, download Studio One Scripts and search our Video Tutorial Database!
s1toolbox.com s1toolbox.com
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Lukas said:
One more video on this topic that might be helpful:



And if you like, there are even more "tracks & channels" tutorials. I have seen that this topic sometimes leads to confusion and have created a separate category for it.

s1toolbox.com

Tracks and Channel Tutorials | Studio One Toolbox

Studio One Toolbox - View song details online, export Presets and Sound Variations, download Studio One Scripts and search our Video Tutorial Database!
s1toolbox.com s1toolbox.com
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Thank you that helps a lot.
 
So I have just spend a few hours, without watching the vids yet but making lot of progress based on what has been said. Pretty much made a small template already. Thank you everyone.
- It does not seem that the create multi inst track, with the instrument selection, has the option to make the tracks have seperate instances ( but maybe again there s something I m not seeing)

Unrelated to the thread title

- I cant get to see multiple track CC lanes in the same view. I was hoping for that. Otherwise everything is nice within the midi realm, but I was really hoping to be able to see multiple instruments CC automation in on view.

- Overall I m not sure what is going on perf wise, but I m getting annoying hangs.. On track click. On playhead follow empty space left click. Bringing the playhead somewhere via ruler clicking in lightning fast tho, so not sure what is going on with these hangs. There must be a reason :)
 
SamTheAudiocrat said:
Lukas has answered all your questions. All that you say is possible in Studio One and it makes sense as well. I have tried out Cubase but I sometimes find it a little bit of a pain because I've gotten used to Studio One's workflow, which is really smooth. I love the midi editing and things like that in Studio One. The Record Mix where you can record over already pre-existing midi clips but record only the CC. And the recording will start when you change the CC values. Cubase messes this up if you do this. You gotta delete the CC data before you re-record it. Small things like this really make Studio One amazing... And... The macros are really powerful in Studio One. I'm not sure if I've got the right Lukas here but Lukas has some wicked macros for Studio One that add so much functionality.
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Actually in Cubase you can totally record over the pre-existing curve without deleting the previous one, it will not mess up anything, as long as you have the correct settings
 
ravez said:
Actually in Cubase you can totally record over the pre-existing curve without deleting the previous one, it will not mess up anything, as long as you have the correct settings
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It really irks me sometimes when people who are obviously not familiar with the intricacies of a program post authoritatively about something they know little to nothing about, potentially turning away and or mis-leading others from realizing its potential.
 
ravez said:
Actually in Cubase you can totally record over the pre-existing curve without deleting the previous one, it will not mess up anything, as long as you have the correct settings
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But it's so glitchy. I use both Cubase and Studio One so I know how annoying it is to keep going back and adjusting the curves that I want to replace. It is quite glitchy in my experience and Studio One is a whole lot smoother in this regard. One feature I miss in Studio One is the lanes in Cubase. Studio One has layers, but layers work more like comping. Whereas in Cubase you can use each lane to represent a part of let's say a 4-part harmony. Each has its advantages but I quite like Studio One's workflow better for my needs.
 
vibrationisreality said:
It really irks me sometimes when people who are obviously not familiar with the intricacies of a program post authoritatively about something they know little to nothing about, potentially turning away and or mis-leading others from realizing its potential.
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If your comment is in regards to mine, please enlighten me on how I can go about doing it like I can do in Studio One. I have both Cubase and Studio One. The replace or merge record modes don't do a good job of giving me a smooth curve in Cubase. Studio One does it so efficiently and elegantly.
 
Let' say I start off with this:

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Now, I want to record over this with my midi CC, and instead of having a crescendo from bars 2 to 4, I want to record over only bars 2 to 4 but have it crescendo from bar 2 to 3 and then decrescendo from bar 3 to 4.

This is how it looks to me after trying that out...

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I don't know what I am missing. It looks like Cubase is just approximating the curve I draw, and even then while I am recording over the CC, I can see small spikes show up, which would need cleaning later. Please let me know if you know what the cause for this is..
 
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r-sd said:
- I cant get to see multiple track CC lanes in the same view. I was hoping for that. Otherwise everything is nice within the midi realm, but I was really hoping to be able to see multiple instruments CC automation in on view.
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Click that plus and it will add more automation lanes like below:
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SamTheAudiocrat said:
Let' say I start off with this:

1707098846911.png

Now, I want to record over this with my midi CC, and instead of having a crescendo from bars 2 to 4, I want to record over only bars 2 to 4 but have it crescendo from bar 2 to 3 and then decrescendo from bar 3 to 4.

This is how it looks to me after trying that out...

1707098896278.png

I don't know what I am missing. It looks like Cubase is just approximating the curve I draw, and even then while I am recording over the CC, I can see small spikes show up, which would need cleaning later. Please let me know if you know what the cause for this is..
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In Studio One, this what it looks like:
Before:
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After:
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SamTheAudiocrat said:
Let' say I start off with this:

1707098846911.png

Now, I want to record over this with my midi CC, and instead of having a crescendo from bars 2 to 4, I want to record over only bars 2 to 4 but have it crescendo from bar 2 to 3 and then decrescendo from bar 3 to 4.

This is how it looks to me after trying that out...

1707098896278.png

I don't know what I am missing. It looks like Cubase is just approximating the curve I draw, and even then while I am recording over the CC, I can see small spikes show up, which would need cleaning later. Please let me know if you know what the cause for this is..
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You can check your midi inputs, if your track is set to All midi inputs try setting it to the controller you are using to drive the CC curve and see if that solves the issue.
If it does, set the midi input back to All, and in your preferences disable the unneeded midi inputs.
If it still doesn't work maybe open a new thread to get help since this thread is for Studio One.
 
SamTheAudiocrat said:
@Lukas isn't this what OP, @r-sd was asking for?
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I think he meant the ability to see CC's from multiple different tracks all at once.

As for the earlier discussion:

Studio One Instrument Tracks: If you recall, Cubase started out the same way, having a MIDI track that connects to an instrument in the rack. After years of complaints they added the 'Instrument Track' a self contained MIDI track with the instrument in-line. This is one of the main complaints about Studio One that there is no in-line instrument option like so many other sequencers. Studio One's instrument track is equivalent to Cubase's MIDI track. Cubase's instrument track is a different beast.

Midi Channels: Another arguably not so great design choice is that that Studio One doesn't channelize MIDI at the event level. In other words, you can't have a single track or event sending out data on multiple MIDI channels.

All in all Studio One is great but there are a few questionable design choices in the foundation.
 
LawrenceF said:
I think he meant the ability to see CC's from multiple different tracks all at once.

As for the earlier discussion:

Studio One Instrument Tracks: If you recall, Cubase started out the same way, having a MIDI track that connects to an instrument in the rack. After years of complaints they added the 'Instrument Track' a self contained MIDI track with the instrument in-line. This is one of the main complaints about Studio One that there is no in-line instrument option like so many other sequencers. Studio One's instrument track is equivalent to Cubase's MIDI track. Cubase's instrument track is a different beast.

Midi Channels: Another arguably not so great design choice is that that Studio One doesn't channelize MIDI at the event level. In other words, you can't have a single track or event sending out data on multiple MIDI channels.

All in all Studio One is great but there are a few questionable design choices in the foundation.
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I am not sure I understand your first point. Studio One does have an Instrument Track which is basically a midi track and audio track combined for that instrument.

The second point is true. Studio One's midi track is routed as a whole and you can't route individual midi clips.

One thing I really like about Studio One is the Folder Busses that basically treats folders like busses. So you can have several things within the folder which get routed to the folder that behaves like a bus. Really makes sense and I absolutely love how it behaves within the mixer and arranger windows too. Reaper does this too which I quite like.
 
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