chocobitz825
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Which YT "Reviewers" Do You Trust?
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Shad0wLandsUK
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ThomCSounds
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Sorry for hijacking the thread guys :D I think these ads deserve their own topic haha!
Back to the topic with a question, do you guys prefer reviews that show the YouTuber or just the DAW / screen capture? I love Cory Pelizzari's stuff but it seems like the algorithm pushes thumbnails with people's shocked faces on them more. There's a balance to be found between what works, what people want and the creative / artistic approach.
Back to the topic with a question, do you guys prefer reviews that show the YouTuber or just the DAW / screen capture? I love Cory Pelizzari's stuff but it seems like the algorithm pushes thumbnails with people's shocked faces on them more. There's a balance to be found between what works, what people want and the creative / artistic approach.
Sorry, I’m genuinely not sure what you’re asking - are you saying Tallinn is just another generic choir?
MaxOctane
Senior Membrane
It's lovely and not at all generic. But I'm saying that I don't see how a full review and appreciation of Tallinn would require an understanding of Estonian liturgical tradition (as you commented earlier). The samples don't retain the Estonian liturgicality of the singers, as they're reduced to individual notes.
I have a number of soft choir libs which I just compared with Tallinn. They're all lovely and different, some a little wetter or drier, some sung a bit more softly or forcefully -- but for example, I wouldn't say the "mmh sustain" patch in Tallinn is somehow "Estonian", any more than Eric Whitacre Choir's "Long mmm" patch is somehow British (or wherever EWC's singers are from).
gsilbers
Part of Pulsesetter-Sounds.com
I knew there was something behind those thumbnails, i was thinking it was some sort of conpsiracy thoery that somehow AI knows you will react more to poeples faces than some letters or pretty picture when at the end is just google prefers that in their algorithm. oh wait... dman you robots!
I really dont know for sure. it varies depending on the focus of the channel.
Some youtubers create a track in realtime and talk showing a library or a few like daniel james and those are cool. Other times its a guy on camera talking more with some cool studio edison lighting background and some color correction and its also nice.
And other times just showing the product and its review in a more fast approach also works.
The more production value you add itll have more views and itll be cooler but at the same time is a balancing act of providing consistent content so youtube keeps you up there relevant from 200+ subscribers any user might have.
but i guess now its a very new type of entertainment that everyone is trying their own thing. if you need to show something in your daw then obvously that. having a little PIP screen with a face might help relate more to people,
Doesn't everyone just obsessively pore over every single review for a single product for days on end late in to the night, carefully cross-section what all of them agree on to come up with a single viewpoint, only to finally try it and instantly form your own completely different opinion? Then fall in to the same time-wasting pattern, again and again?
...Just me?
...Just me?
Jeremy Spencer
Senior Member
Guilty as charged! And that’s exactly why I’m not wasting money on pricey Spitfire libraries any more (among others). Demos only from now on (unless I can try a desired library on a colleagues system). VSL has it right.
BenBotkin
Active Member
Aside from the products I receive prior to release as a demo composer (OT's mostly--and to be fair these make up a good proportion of my total new library acquisitions) I rarely buy a library during the release window. This may sound ironic coming from a demo composer and occasional reviewer, but I don't watch product reviews that often and mostly don't rely on these videos for my decisions.
This is not because I don't trust reviewers or developers, it's more because the long-term value of a library can be hard to gauge at first. There have been some libraries that frustrated me at first (like CSS), which now I can't live without (is there a better long-term sample library investment for $400?). And some libraries that have really excited me at first, but I haven't used much since.
Typically, I wait to hear what the general consensus on a library is before purchase, and put particular weight on the opinion of working composers I know who've been using it for a while. Yeah, I potentially miss out on using the library for a while if it's a great one, but I also have less library overwhelm and, well, more $ for toilet paper, gas, and groceries. When I'm not reviewing, I let other people be the guinea pigs.
Case in point: I don't think I bought CSS until maybe 2 years after release. I JUST picked up Vista during the last sale, after holding off for a really long time.
I can do this in part because, like I said, I have a decent influx of libraries as a demo composer, and I already have a pretty solid, full template. I really do not need another string library until there is something about it that is ACTUALLY really special and not simply hype-y, and usually that's harder to know during the release window/intro sales/review videos flurry.
This is not because I don't trust reviewers or developers, it's more because the long-term value of a library can be hard to gauge at first. There have been some libraries that frustrated me at first (like CSS), which now I can't live without (is there a better long-term sample library investment for $400?). And some libraries that have really excited me at first, but I haven't used much since.
Typically, I wait to hear what the general consensus on a library is before purchase, and put particular weight on the opinion of working composers I know who've been using it for a while. Yeah, I potentially miss out on using the library for a while if it's a great one, but I also have less library overwhelm and, well, more $ for toilet paper, gas, and groceries. When I'm not reviewing, I let other people be the guinea pigs.
Case in point: I don't think I bought CSS until maybe 2 years after release. I JUST picked up Vista during the last sale, after holding off for a really long time.
I can do this in part because, like I said, I have a decent influx of libraries as a demo composer, and I already have a pretty solid, full template. I really do not need another string library until there is something about it that is ACTUALLY really special and not simply hype-y, and usually that's harder to know during the release window/intro sales/review videos flurry.
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What's Croydon like? I'm going to watch the prodigy in June and was ready to book a hotel in Croydon and a friend told me he "aint staying in fkn Croydon!". It's a bit 'stabby' apparently. Is he being dramatic?Gosh, the real humour here is that I live in South East London (Croydon) and here those phrases every single day of my life
chocobitz825
Senior Member
bias reinforcement. The thumbnails generally imply a positive or negative reaction to the topic...so if you wanted a review for something you think is going to be bad, the thumbnail with a frown will likely incentivize you to engage in that video more than just a title with no implication of what the final verduct is.
White Sea Studio pretty much mastered that. He has a thumbnail for everything. "I don't know" "what the hell is this?" "this is BS!" "I love this" "not what I expected".....and then in the end, no matter what the thumbnail, you'll get a 5 minute rant about UI design pointlessly copying analog gear design.
*chefs kiss*
Nico5
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I have to (sheepishly) admit, that I've rarely (never?) used any of his videos for a purchasing decision, but have watched many of his videos for the entertainment value of the rants
chocobitz825
Senior Member
same. that's perhaps the point. It's entertainment more than anything actually helpful as product reviews go. Especially since he refuses to read the manuals and skips over some well-documented features. As entertainment though, its a bit of a guilty pleasure.
ThomCSounds
Active Member
I've done both on my channel, and I don't think there's any way to tell. I mean, there could be if very strict rules were applied on a chosen group I suppose (you know, like doing things in a real scientific way and a proper study). I'm pretty sure it's already been done and that we tend to react in a more emotional way to a face we see than to an object. That's why we mirror smiles when we see someone smile.assuming it works, the algorithm just reflects what viewers are more likely to click on - so in reality any complaints would need to be directed at viewers.
However, I would find it really interesting, if a regular YouTube creator ran a thumbnail a/b test between
- using crazy face and regular face - and/or
- using a face vs a good logo
But doing this on my channel wouldn't really prove anything. As there are many other things at play (time of the day, topic, video length, lighting and colours of the thumbnail and more...).
ThomCSounds
Active Member
This thread reminds me of a video Paul Third made not long ago about trusting YouTubers and the way things work in the audio community.
jononotbono
Luke Johnson
Clever guy. Obviously knows how things work with the majority of YouTubers. Definitely never watching his stuff then!
Yes. He is being dramatic. It looks a bit grim in the centre and there are run-down bits you might want to avoid but it's not that bad - and the hotels mostly cluster around East Croydon station IIRC.
However, if this is for a gig at the Academy, it's not necessarily a convenient option as the train service from Croydon doesn't connect all that well with Brixton, though the night buses back from there do tend to wind up in Croydon. You might find it more convenient and no more expensive to get a hotel around Colliers Wood or Wimbledon/South Wimbledon as they are on the Northern Line, with a reasonable walk from Stockwell to the Academy, or change to the Victoria for Brixton.
Shad0wLandsUK
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That's helpful, cheers!
My favorite channels in order are:
Simeon Amburgey ( Some of the best)
Daniel James
Christopher Siu
Venus Theory
I have a real problem with the proliferation of paid promo across the YouTube review community. The more a website advertises and features the same products in all of their reviews the more suspect it becomes and there are some that really stand out like SLR.
in contrast somebody like Daniel James may be controversial but he contrasts the products and provides the good and the bad along with stating the obvious usefulness of the product without just doing a twinkly walk-through out of the box.
White Sea is another tell it like it is Guy. Trust worthy opinions.
Simeon Amburgey ( Some of the best)
Daniel James
Christopher Siu
Venus Theory
I have a real problem with the proliferation of paid promo across the YouTube review community. The more a website advertises and features the same products in all of their reviews the more suspect it becomes and there are some that really stand out like SLR.
in contrast somebody like Daniel James may be controversial but he contrasts the products and provides the good and the bad along with stating the obvious usefulness of the product without just doing a twinkly walk-through out of the box.
White Sea is another tell it like it is Guy. Trust worthy opinions.
