If I begin to use them again, I might actually do that.
On my Beyerdynamic headphones, I'm getting some background rumble on the Revive instruments.I believe it's (mostly?) the same samples + some new content, but I'm wondering where the new mic positions for the old samples came from
Do you recall the articulations used for the Clarinet and the tempo?@Trash Panda (or anyone else if you want to compare it to your own libraries) here you go
Ableton won't let me export more than one midi clip at a time, so I fused the different clips into one. I also left the key switches in for you to know when I switched articulations - for all shorts I used the normal staccato articulation btw., not the staccatissimo one.
Yeah, still inferior.
Thankfully, I’ve come to realize our tastes are different enough to not worry about when they diverge.
I like the Legacy flute more, but the legacy English Horn sounds like a tone generator or something, definitely like Revive for a few of the instruments more, but NOT in the stock preset state they are in. There's a thick room tone/noise in the lower mids that has to go, and I first thought how I would EQ that out, then remembered Revive has more mic positions. I'm definitely going to play with that, maybe it's just the mic mix OT chose... Lord knows sample makers can put out some horrid presets, look at the Pop Preset in mostly all VSL Pianos... good night, that preset is like a piano landing on you with the first chord you play, lol. Call me stupid, but I want to see if Revive can be made to sound good with mic changes, although I can't do anything about the three weird notes in the Oboe, lol.Thankfully, I’ve come to realize our tastes are different enough to not worry about when they diverge.
I hate the blue cars I can't see. I think it's more of a Kontakt problem, but for me the buttons and faders are just a bit too small to be comfortable with, so I prefer SINE. Same thing with Spitfire, really. Too much stuff in too little space, just like my home.
It's just the Tree mic in these examples, so there is a lot of room to play with the sound.
Thanks for doing this!
I think that getting the instruments to sit well in an orchestra and with minimal work is often ignored in these discussions, which tend to focus on a different type of playing. The lyricism of a soloist as such and the spot soloist in the orchestra will not be the same, even beyond issues of seating, and for support parts, soloists are often recorded in a way that it is hard to get them to recede into background. It’s one of the things I like about the SF Symphonic Woodwinds: they fit easily into an orchestral context, even instruments in the set I don’t especially like, such as the solo clarinet. The Revive Berlin instruments seem similar in that respect.
Ye to me all the revive examples just sounds better; playability, consistency and tone and sample clarity.The Sequel
English Horn 1 Legacy
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English Horn 1 Revive. Notice how much better those crossfades are! Also I like the tone of Revive MUCH more, and it sounds like it has a wider dynamic range
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Bassoon 1 Legacy
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Bassoon 1 Revive
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So overall they both sound great, but Revive is much more flexible because it can do the upfront soloist sound *and* the pushed back ensemble sound *and* there are more instruments and clearly the extra mics add a ton of flexibility. Plus I've also learned to love SINE more than Capsule.
And for anyone interested:
Flexibility depends on a lot of factors. And the context of sitting the instruments inside the orchestra also bears on this. Solo woodwinds seem to have a lot of tradeoffs for a variety of reasons, in some cases more so than solo strings, and solo strings don't have the issue of needing both to sit inside the orchestra as section players and then come forward for spot solos.
It's probably my biggest criticism of Revive. That and the random missing articulations from the second clarinet. But just using my ears, the dynamics are weaker in the oboe and better in the English horn so I don't feel like Legacy is universally better.
