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CineStrings Core 2.0 is now LIVE on Native Access!

Yes, every company that’s moved to its own proprietary player has received some backlash. The difference I see here, to Cinesamples’ credit, is that they‘ve been honest that they’re ceasing Kontakt development, while some of the other companies have claimed they would do both simultaneously. Usually, they followed up with a handful of Kontakt releases, while putting the lion‘s share of new products into their new players.

Typically, years of growing pains follow this choice; and eventually, the new player becomes a reasonably good platform. I expect that will happen in this case as well. I hope that by completely focusing on the new platform, Cinesamples will reach maturity with Musio more rapidly.

Best,

Geoff
 
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They made a commitment to upgrade some of their products that they didn’t keep, and that’s not good.

Nonetheless, I would only describe it as dishonest if they hid the fact that they no longer intended to keep that commitment. I’m not sure that happened.

Do we know whether there was much of a lag between the decision and the announcement?

Best,

Geoff
 
Geoff Grace said:
They made a commitment to upgrade some of their products that they didn’t keep, and that’s not good.

Nonetheless, I would only describe it as dishonest if they hid the fact that they no longer intended to keep that commitment. I’m not sure that happened.

Do we know whether there was much of a lag between the decision and the announcement?

Best,

Geoff
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That was a rather nice attempt at rewriting history. Or was it gaslighting? I could not tell, to be honest.
 
Henrik B. Jensen said:
When a company develops their own player, of course it means they’re gonna dump Kontakt sooner or later.

I was being naive trusting what they said about keeping both.
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Economics will push in that direction certainly. However, I imagine that prospectively many companies start out hedging their bets for a variety of reasons.
 
SirKen said:
That was a rather nice attempt at rewriting history. Or was it gaslighting? I could not tell, to be honest.
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And this was an incorrect conclusion. I merely stated what was my understanding of the situation. I admittedly could be wrong or have missed something, but I have no desire to distort the truth. Quite the opposite; I'd like to get well acquainted with it.

One thing I have learned in my relatively long life is that all any of us can see are a few pieces of the puzzle. We're all far more ignorant than we are aware. It's an unfortunate consequence of having finite brains from which to understand the infinite.

If you know something you'd like to share, feel free.

Best,

Geoff
 
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Geoff Grace said:
They made a commitment to upgrade some of their products that they didn’t keep, and that’s not good.

Nonetheless, I would only describe it as dishonest if they hid the fact that they no longer intended to keep that commitment. I’m not sure that happened.
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I don’t think saying “sorry, we changed our minds” is good enough. In my view, honesty would require an offer of fair compensation for customers who relied on commitments that were not honoured.
 
Wensleydale said:
I don’t think saying “sorry, we changed our minds” is good enough. In my view, honesty would require an offer of fair compensation for customers who relied on commitments that were not honoured.
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How would that work? Would it apply to everyone who bought Cinestrings for $64 in the glitch sale or only to those who paid full whack? Those who bought it this year or 6 years ago?

These Kontakt libraries are going to work for the forseeable future. The platform they are on is active. It's not like they will suddenly stop working, they all work as advertisted. And those now-absent once-promised 2.0 updates? Gotta be honest, I've never even downloaded 2.0 of Cinestrings. 1.x works for me, it's in my template etc. I feel much the same way about ProjectSAM's 2.0s. If they have new articulations etc then that's nice, but most of it is just making things prettier and / or a bit easier to use, it's not fundamental.

I certainly don't scream compensation for any of their libraries that I own that now won't get updates.
 
I'm not paying for stuff twice and the upgrade offer for owning several of their libraries is only $49 off what the price is for someone who owns nothing of their catalogue.

I’m a sucker for a sample library…but abandoning a top end product within your line really stinks….orchestral tools when moving to Sine their own player offered crossgrade prices that were to cover admin costs nothing more….and they give out €25 vouchers to get stuff free….Spitfire also offered crossgrade for libraries that moved to their own player…

Cinesamples should offer a standalone Musio app that people can use ,like KONTAKT or Sine player….but they are clearly wanting people to sub or have the same business model as NI Komplete….I’m done with Komplete….and Ni and Cinesamples is just another company I won’t ever deal with again…

Companies have to survive granted…but they should also not Sh*t on their previous customers ….Yes I can still use the KONTAKT libs like they said…but it’s The principle of it…

Offer me free access to my libs on your new platform…it’s not hard…
 
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easyrider said:
I'm not paying for stuff twice and the upgrade offer for owning several of their libraries is only $49 off what the price is for someone who owns nothing of their catalogue.

I’m a sucker for a sample library…but abandoning a top end product within your line really stinks….orchestral tools when moving to Sine their own player offered crossgrade prices that were to cover admin costs nothing more….and they give out €25 vouchers to get stuff free….Spitfire also offered crossgrade for libraries that moved to their own player…

Cinesamples should offer a standalone Musio app that people can use ,like KONTAKT or Sine player….but they are clearly wanting people to sub or have the same business model as NI Komplete….I’m done with Komplete….and Ni and Cinesamples is just another company I won’t ever deal with again…

Companies have to survive granted…but they should also not Sh*t on their previous customers ….Yes I can still use the KONTAKT libs like they said…but it’s The principle of it…

Offer me free access to my libs on your new platform…it’s not hard…
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I guess I own circa $2-3k of CineSamples products. I don't know what that equates to with all of Musio's content, probably something like 10% of it. I didn't get any additional discount with my lifetime subs offer last year, and I was perfectly happy - it was still clearly a steal.

Maybe in the future there will be bespoke Musio offerings, but as of now it's all-you-can eat (or all you can eat up to end of 2023). So it's apples and oranges with developers who have updated libraries individually, it's a silly comparison imo.

Does the all-you-can-eat offer appeal? No. Then stick with their Kontakt libraries. They still all work, and will do for any forseeable future.

Try as I might I just can't make myself feel a hurt victim here.
 
Geoff Grace said:
And this was an incorrect conclusion. I merely stated what was my understanding of the situation. I admittedly could be wrong or have missed something, but I have no desire to distort the truth. Quite the opposite; I'd like to get well acquainted with it.

One thing I have learned in my relatively long life is that all any of us can see are a few pieces of the puzzle. We're all far more ignorant than we are aware. It's an unfortunate consequence of having finite brains from which to understand the infinite.

If you know something you'd like to share, feel free.

Best,

Geoff
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I have to prepare for work but there are some references to the timelines in this infamous thread.

Cinesamples Price Hike?

I’ve just gone to buy Tina Guo and I’ve noticed a massive price hike? 😩
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SirKen said:
I have to prepare for work but there are some references to the timelines in this infamous thread.

Cinesamples Price Hike?

I’ve just gone to buy Tina Guo and I’ve noticed a massive price hike? 😩
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If you're going to accuse people of gaslighting and expect to succeed in doing so, you probably need to do a bit better than post a link to a 17-page thread that's 90% bitching about price with a "I'm busy, you sort it out" tone.

The only timeline I can find without going mad is vaguely hinted at in a reference by CS to CineStrings CORE 2.0 and even then the actual vaguely predicted schedule is in a thread linked there from late 2021. And if you look at the timings and the gap between when it was originally slated to be ready (end-2021) vs what happened (earlyish 2023?), I'm amazed anyone thinks the other ones would be done by now – particularly as it's a small op and the Musio schedule has (not unexpectedly) slipped by around six months. Sample stuff takes time.

But in any case, either bring the receipts or ease up.
 
You know, this forum has a search function and took less than five minutes.

11-11-21 CineSymphony 2.0 Update Annoucement

3-3-2023 CineStrings 2.0 Announcement (you're reading it currently)

12-22-2023 Announcement that rest of CineSymphony may not happen.

CineStrings Core 2.0 is now LIVE on Native Access!

Looks that way. Would not expect it. That's sad, everyone seemed to like CineStrings 2 update a lot and bringing Brass, Woodwinds and maybe even Cineperc up there would attract more sales as well give a nice suprise to existing owners for sure.
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Emanu1674 said:
I'm confused. If the future of CineSamples is Musio, and assuming CineSymphony is already making its way to Musio, can't CineSamples just release the updates for the rest of CineSymphony directly to Musio? Not now but, eventually? Sounds like a reasonable next step, as Musio won't have NI fees slapped all over it. Also, if that's the case, honestly i don't get the commotion on this thread at all 😶
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The updates people are talking about are Kontakt refresh updates. This thread talks about the Cinestrings 2.0 in post #1. Future is Musio for them. People using Kontakt versions will just need to continue using them in their current state.

easyrider said:
I’m a sucker for a sample library…but abandoning a top end product within your line really stinks….orchestral tools when moving to Sine their own player offered crossgrade prices that were to cover admin costs nothing more….and they give out €25 vouchers to get stuff free….Spitfire also offered crossgrade for libraries that moved to their own player…
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that's pretty much what I think at this point. Maybe they should consider a crossgrade offer once they feel Musio player is on par with Kontakt.
 
Im still view CineStrings Core 2.0 instead of 2.1

The latest update of all Cinesamples in Kontakt I guess... :mad:
 
Flyo said:
Im still view CineStrings Core 2.0 instead of 2.1

The latest update of all Cinesamples in Kontakt I guess... :mad:
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The .1 is silent, like the P in Psychology.

Cinestrings Core >Cinestrings Core 2.0 > Shane's update patch which was available here first in the forum (and then available at NI after a lot of pesking from users) = Cinestrings Core 2.1.

They probably forgot to change it and now don't care for such a detail. Same with Cinestrings Runs, patch takes forever to load but their solution was downloading an older version instead of fixing the new.
 
EanS said:
The .1 is silent, like the P in Psychology.

Cinestrings Core >Cinestrings Core 2.0 > Shane's update patch which was available here first in the forum (and then available at NI after a lot of pesking from users) = Cinestrings Core 2.1.

They probably forgot to change it and now don't care for such a detail. Same with Cinestrings Runs, patch takes forever to load but their solution was downloading an older version instead of fixing the new.
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At NI is updated, so I guess I already have 2.1 besides its says 2.0. I. downloaded the patch first in another computer the day it was released here by Shane. Then after I downloaded again from NI
 
Flyo said:
At NI is updated, so I guess I already have 2.1 besides its says 2.0. I. downloaded the patch first in another computer the day it was released here by Shane. Then after I downloaded again from NI
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Yup, I did both and got 2.0 too, but the Cinestrings Runs attitude towards it explains the lax spirit.
 
Emanu1674 said:
The PLAY version of EastWest libraries were all abandoned after they switched to Opus (thank god) and i don't remember people being upset like here, am i missing something? Is Musio such a bad deal?
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The OPUS player was free for any EW instrument owner =)
 
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