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As far as I'm aware the downloader doesn't leave an uninstalled file that you can move and reinstall, but I will double check. Maybe I missed it.
I did this last week with Small String Gestures because I chose the wrong sample location at first. There is the downloader (small) but also a separate installer with some extra files (after the downloader finished the first time; large).

I am on Win though.
 
Then, in the same Library folder open Small String Gestures.settings in a text-based editor, and alter the file path to the updated blob location.
Is this documented some place, other than here, or did you learn this from support?
 
I was just checking my computer for bloat and found CodeMeter. I shut it down and then found Cubase crashed when trying to load my latest project. After a bit of research I've found out it was installed when I bought Small String Gestures.

I'm not thrilled about this. When I buy something that uses iLok, it's pretty well flagged when I buy it, and I have lots of plugins using it. However CodeMeter is going to be running constantly just for one app - Small String Gestures.

I've searched Crow Hill's website and see they don't offer refunds. I understand why people don't offer refunds or licence transfers on Kontakt libraries, as someone could sell the software and then still continue to use it... but if you've installed an app to make sure only licenced users can run the app, then you should offer a refunds and licence transfers imo.

I've contacted Crow Hill for more info, but I'm annoyed that CodeMeter isn't mentioned by Crow Hill at all (unless I'm blind), yet they push it onto your computer where it runs 24/7.
The lack of transparency about Codemeter is alarming.
 
Is this documented some place, other than here, or did you learn this from support?
It's actually similar with Spitfire's plugins and their sample locations. Afaik, you can even edit the file so it looks in multiple locations for the samples.
 
It's actually similar with Spitfire's plugins and their sample locations. Afaik, you can even edit the file so it looks in multiple locations for the samples.

Yes, but SF libraries are also very easy to relocate individually without going into a file to edit the path.
I asked the support, like my main drive smart...
Good to know. Also odd that basic functionality is undocumented. I mean I know they are a new, small company but still…
 
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That's of course true. But you have more options (like multiple sample locations) if you edit the file directly.
Yes, and if you edit the file you can can make changes in bulk. I’m changing the name of the drive and for that it would be very tedious to relocate every library with the SF app. But at least the SF app gives you a direct way to relocate. Crow Hill does not. Hopefully they will address this in a an update.
 
The lack of transparency about Codemeter is alarming.
They've just confirmed also that they do not offer refunds or licence transfers, which I don't think is acceptable. If you're going to stealth install a licensing system on my computer which will only let the software run for registered buyers, then you should at least offer transfers.

I was going to use the upgrade discount to buy Murmerations, but sadly won't be buying anything further from Crow Hill while this continues to be their policy. I don't need another program running in the background and feel miffed that there's nothing about this explained when making the purchase.
 
They've just confirmed also that they do not offer refunds or licence transfers, which I don't think is acceptable. If you're going to stealth install a licensing system on my computer which will only let the software run for registered buyers, then you should at least offer transfers.

I was going to use the upgrade discount to buy Murmerations, but sadly won't be buying anything further from Crow Hill while this continues to be their policy. I don't need another program running in the background and feel miffed that there's nothing about this explained when making the purchase.
Genuine question. Does this thing running in the background cause you any hassle?
I assume I must have it too. I couldn’t care less. Doesn’t bother me and I have zero idea why it even is. Doesn’t seem to hold me back in any way.
I like CrowHill products, I bought what they have available, I have their vaults. I love it. I am enjoying using them.
Imagine not buying anything from a company that you actually wanted because of some spurious program running the background. !?
Each to their own but I feel there are many people just searching for things to get irked about. I just find it weird tbh.
No disrespect intended. For the short time I’ve been in this forum I have actually been stunned at the sheer negativity towards the tiniest tiniest non musical things. It’s bewildering to me.
Good luck with your music making.
 
Genuine question. Does this thing running in the background cause you any hassle?
I assume I must have it too. I couldn’t care less. Doesn’t bother me and I have zero idea why it even is. Doesn’t seem to hold me back in any way.
I like CrowHill products, I bought what they have available, I have their vaults. I love it. I am enjoying using them.
Imagine not buying anything from a company that you actually wanted because of some spurious program running the background. !?
Each to their own but I feel there are many people just searching for things to get irked about. I just find it weird tbh.
No disrespect intended. For the short time I’ve been in this forum I have actually been stunned at the sheer negativity towards the tiniest tiniest non musical things. It’s bewildering to me.
Good luck with your music making.
It’s true that almost every copy protection scheme has some sort of daemon running in the background and that most don’t disclose that fact directly.
 
It’s true that almost every copy protection scheme has some sort of daemon running in the background and that most don’t disclose that fact directly.
Maybe I’ll come unstuck further down the line. But for now I am buying loads of stuff, enjoying making music with them. No major grief. All good fun.
Stuff running in the background or not.
All good. 👍🏻
 
Maybe I’ll come unstuck further down the line. But for now I am buying loads of stuff, enjoying making music with them. No major grief. All good fun.
Stuff running in the background or not.
All good. 👍🏻
I think I’m agreeing with you, for the most part. Copy protection schemes tend to work by installing daemons or similar code so there is little paid software that doesn’t install them or require some other scheme like ilok that installs them.

On the other hand some of these schemes are worse than others, and Codemeter has earned a reputation, fairly or not, of not being the best actor.
 
Codemeter is the main reason why I ditched all my U-JAAAAAAM products.
I'm confused. I have several UJAM products installed and authorized but I can't find any evidence of Codemeter on my system. (I know where to look because I used to have it when Reason used it and deleted it after Reason switched to a different authorization process.) What am I missing about UJAM products?

EDIT: Apologies for derailing this thread. The moderators might want to move this post and responses to it to a new thread.
 
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I'm confused. I have several UJAM products installed and authorized but I can't find any evidence of Codemeter on my system. (I know where to look because I used to have it when Reason used it and deleted it after Reason switched to a different authorization process.) What am I missing about UJAM products?

I suspect UJAM/Gorilla offers easy integration with WIBU Codemeter which is why devs using the Gorilla Engine tend to prefer it. Virharmonic, Antares, Rhodes, VPS, etc. As you mentioned Reason no longer uses it due to customer complaints. You can see which programs are using it via the Codemeter Control Center. Search Google for "Wibu-Systems CodeMeter vulnerabilities".

 
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Ok, Crow Hill support have told me that Codemeter is not supposed to require an online connection once it activated the licenses. Maybe a glitch at startup might have been the problem in my case. Well, let's wait and see if it happens again then, I guess. I'm also considering uninstalling it all and let it be. Not made up my mind, yet.
 
Personally I find it inappropriate for a software to have its services running on windows startup, and not being summoned when needed. Moreover that this plug seems capable of it.

I don't want to incite any activity that may hamper ones pc, so I won't go into details, but just to inform those who know what they are doing - the process which was added to startup apps can be disabled, and several accompanying services that were added on automatic can be switched to manual, and the plugin seems to invoke them on load of the actual Vsti with no problems. I've run it several times, with restarting windows, they are dormant on startup till the plugin starts...
 
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Genuine question. Does this thing running in the background cause you any hassle?
I assume I must have it too. I couldn’t care less. Doesn’t bother me and I have zero idea why it even is. Doesn’t seem to hold me back in any way.
I like CrowHill products, I bought what they have available, I have their vaults. I love it. I am enjoying using them.
Imagine not buying anything from a company that you actually wanted because of some spurious program running the background. !?
Each to their own but I feel there are many people just searching for things to get irked about. I just find it weird tbh.
No disrespect intended. For the short time I’ve been in this forum I have actually been stunned at the sheer negativity towards the tiniest tiniest non musical things. It’s bewildering to me.
Good luck with your music making.
It's a good question and no, generally speaking the background software in itself is causing me no hassle.

It's partly a principle thing, because Crow Hill should be open about the software and the process.

It's also partly a principle thing because as mentioned, if I'm going to be running their licensing software, then they can ensure it only works for legal owners - so they can in theory offer licence transfers, but don't.

I'm guessing, but I may have spent £10-15k on Spitfire products in the last 4 years and can't sell any of them. A few of their libs I didn't like from the start, a few I have found other products to replace over time, but I can't sell anything I've bought from Spitfire. The hardware in my room/studio also costs about £15k and I have sold synths and other hardware when they fall out of use. I could probably sell all my hardware for about £10-12k. While frustrating, I understand the policy of no licence transfers on software with no proper licencing (ie, Spitfire), but it should be available on any products using a licensing system. As far as I'm aware just about every dev using ilok (that I use) offers licence transfers so I can sell their software on if no longer needed.

And it's partly actual hassle. This software is using system resources when I'm not even running a DAW, let alone using Small String Gestures. SSG isn't going to get that much use, but the program will be running constantly. It's not a check on startup thing, it's an always on thing. I checked for other programs running and I also have something from Native instruments. I have no idea what that's doing, but I have dozens and dozens of Kontact libs so at least that is related to a lot of libs. I also have a Steinberg licensing prog running, which I guess is letting me run Cubase without a dongle, so that's the entire DAW and worth it to me. And then I have iLok, which I have dozens and dozens of plugins running off, and they pretty much all allow me to sell my licence, and were all up-front about requiring iLok to run, unlike Crow Hill.

And finally, what if every plugin/sample dev had their own licensing software and we had hundreds of these things running in the background? I'd rather know before I install and try to keep to plugins which use the same licensing where possible to minimise the amount running in the background.

I'm not trying to spread discontent about this. The people who don't care are quite right to not care and I've personally never cared about iLok for the reasons given above. I'm posting here because I saw a forum post mentioning CodeMeter and found that just as I'd found it on my system.

TLDR: If Crow Hill are going to use CodeMeter, they should offer licence transfers and should at the very least be open about it's use on the product page.
 
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