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X-Bassist said:
I understand, but truth be told, you’re only going to want to play the top 30 percent of any developers inventory- tops. For me, with East West for example, I have Hollywood Orch Diamond for the strings and brass, Stormdrum 3, Silk, and Symphonic Choirs. Nothing else from them interests me at all, but I’d still have to pay monthly to use just those few. But for trying out what they have (especially on a free trial) it’s excellent. ;)
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I can agree with that. I expect that I will only use a few of all their products as well and would prefer a model where the price has some relation to how many instrument I download and install and actually use. But for me I am fine with EW rental model. 25bucks is a reasonable price. I will buy a month when my vacation starts and and put as many of EastWest stuff to the test as I can in that period. And when that is over I can end it temporarily,
 
Output definitely does NOT allow resale of their licenses. I emailed them today about transferring my REV license and got this response:
"Unfortunately, we can't offer to transfer the license to another user as a part of our Licensing Agreement. We apologize for any inconvenience. If anything else comes up just let us know and we'll be glad to help.

Best,
Scott"
 
Matt Riley said:
Output definitely does NOT allow resale of their licenses. I emailed them today about transferring my REV license and got this response:
"Unfortunately, we can't offer to transfer the license to another user as a part of our Licensing Agreement. We apologize for any inconvenience. If anything else comes up just let us know and we'll be glad to help.

Best,
Scott"
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"Unfortunately, we can't" is a lie. They can. They just don't want to. So from their point of view it's not unfortunate. A much more candid response might read:

Fortunately, we don't have to offer a license transfer due to our licensing agreement. Any inconvenience this may cause you is not our problem. If anything else comes up just let us know and we'll be willing to decide whether or not to help.
 
Quasar said:
"Unfortunately, we can't" is a lie. They can. They just don't want to. So from their point of view it's not unfortunate. A much more candid response might read:

Fortunately, we don't have to offer a license transfer due to our licensing agreement. Any inconvenience this may cause you is not our problem. If anything else comes up just let us know and we'll be willing to decide whether or not to help.
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QFT
 
Matt Riley said:
Output definitely does NOT allow resale of their licenses. I emailed them today about transferring my REV license and got this response:
"Unfortunately, we can't offer to transfer the license to another user as a part of our Licensing Agreement. We apologize for any inconvenience. If anything else comes up just let us know and we'll be glad to help.

Best,
Scott"
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Everyone who works there needs to be on the same page. Or they must have changed their policy recently. Yes, it says it in the EULA (that they don't allow it), but they allowed me to transfer 2 licences just a few months ago. The only benefit of not allowing a transfer would be that it would not be considered an asset for tax purposes (since you can't convert the license to money). So we are simply paying to borrow a license to use their product. If we actually owned a license we would be able to transfer it.
 
Does this argument ever advance?

The thread started in 2012, and I remember the exact same thread on NS at least 15 years ago.

Multiple times.
 
Output seems to be one of the WORST companies in this case. I had the same trouble with movement, bought it on kvr, both, buyer and seller, in good faith, and then it does not work in my environment, wrote to the support, the odysse begun....in parallel selling cases on the same forum: no problem. It took me hours and lasted for weeks, then we agreed to just divide the damage, he give me 50 % of the sales price back and now I just use it with a workaround but different people from the same company talk with differnt tongues, thats absolutely no good.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
I have mixed feelings about whether you should be allowed to re-sell software licenses, but injustice? Really?

To me injustice is babies in cages, voter suppression, innocent black people being killed by police...
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We could argue over what constitutes an injustice vs. what does not, and further quibble over matters of scale if we want to, but I wasn't trying to address any of that here.

Your comment was about the persistence of the complaint over a broad expanse of time, and my response was simply that this persistence can be counted on until such time as the issue (whether great or small, real or perceived) has been rectified. It's only natural to assume that a complaint will remain a current event as long as the object of the complaint remains in effect.

Personally, the right to resell - though I am in favor on principle - doesn't matter much to me, and I regard it as trivial in comparison with Draconian CP such as dongles or mandatory online activation.

Whether or not injustice in the sample library arena in any way belongs in the same conversation as the controversial issues you allude to above is probably better suited to a political forum. But the problem is that everything is "political", especially in areas that have anything to do with commerce...
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
What?
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Okay, I will try this another way LOL.

An injustice doesn't become something less than an injustice simply because you can compare it to something worse.

The Nazi Holocaust was a crime. If I steal my neighbor's lawn mower that is also a crime. Though any sane person would agree that the latter pales in significance to the former, it doesn't make the lawn mower theft any less of a crime.

I have read numerous justifications for the current sorry state of end-user software rights, the excuse being that it's unimportant when compared to babies in cages, voter suppression and innocent black people being killed by police. It's a bogus argument.
 
Does anyone know if Embertone still allows transfers. I’ve sent them two emails over the past 3 days and haven’t received a response.
 
Matt Riley said:
Does anyone know if Embertone still allows transfers. I’ve sent them two emails over the past 3 days and haven’t received a response.
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I still see them for sale sometimes on the classifieds here, so I would guess they do. I've dealt with Embertone's customer support before (though not about reselling) and they are really nice people, very easy going, one of the coolest devs around IMHO.

They may be overwhelmed with their current summer sale at the moment, but I'm certain they don't purposefully blow off email inquiries.
 
Going back a few posts up regarding Output, I've seen them allow resells so I tried with REV since I hadn't found much use for it in the year I owned it, even after purchasing the addons. They wouldn't allow me to resell since it had been over a year but did allow me to trade it for Analog Brass which I really did want. That did make me a very happy customer so I don't have anything but good things to say about them for that. Not sure if they'd do that for anyone else but it was worth it for me to ask if they would. Wish more vendors would be willing to do something like that, especially the pricier ones, since it's a bigger loss on the purchaser's end. They keep a customer happy, don't lose any money, don't have to worry about transfer issues with other end users, and don't have to worry about devaluing their software due to resellers undercutting them.
 
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