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Negative Track Delay Database / Spreadsheet
- Thread starter David Kudell
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Kony
Bad ape
The video headline is misleading - the video topic is really about track delays and how some devs don't compensate for differences with mics placed further away and therefore have longer pre-delay times.
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ThatEwanGuy
New Member
Anybody know if there's a difference in negative delay times for Berlin Woodwinds on Sine? As I see it's the Kontakt version included in the sheet.
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David Kudell
Senior Member
Good question. I have both, but haven't bothered to change my VEPro server from the Kontakt versions to the Sine versions. Maybe someone with a bit of extra time on their hands could check some of the numbers.
andrewlefevre
Member
There are some different numbers for Berlin Strings at least. I'm in the process of getting the delay numbers for everything in Berlin Orchestra on SINE, which is comprised of parts of all the Berlin Mains. @David Kudell could I get write access to the spreadsheet?
jononotbono
Luke Johnson
@David Kudell have you actually bothered to develop an app that automatically adjusts negative offsets to all my tracks and articulations so I don't have to bother? Its all good being a samaritan and collecting data like you're in WestWorld but honestly, when are you going to be useful? Until then, my shit is gonna be a mean average of 60ms out of time 
andrewlefevre
Member
There's a VST called Foresight developed by @ToadsworthLP that I'm using for that exact purpose: https://vi-control.net/community/th...ble-solution-to-legato-delay-and-more.129769/
jononotbono
Luke Johnson
I don't want that. I want David to do it. 
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David Kudell
Senior Member
Haha, you've caught on to my scheme, which is just to find another way to troll people who hate 8-bit. Someone's going to be looking at the spreadsheet, entering the numbers, thinking "wow, what a nice guy David is," and then realize that I'm the 8-bit guy and go "Nooooooo!"I don't want that. I want David to do it.
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David Kudell
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I think the best way is to put some of your numbers into your own spreadsheet to start, and I'll do a spot check to make sure I'm hearing the same delays. If that all checks out, I can give you write access. When I started this, I gave lots of people access, but a lot of the numbers I found to be all over the place, so this way I can kind of verify things a bit first.
jononotbono
Luke Johnson
I was just trying to hire you man. Guess you've changed
andrewlefevre
Member
Makes total sense. I'll let you know when I finish and share my copy.
jononotbono
Luke Johnson
Anyway... has anyone got anything that's in time? Its kind of important
Symphonichrome
Active Member
Anyone experienced with HOOPUS have a list of delays for it?
David Magnus
New Member
So I am trying to figure out the whole Berlin Series NTD-Values at the moment. And I would like to get some more opinions regarding microtiming. Do you think that transients should ALWAYS be EXACTLY on the grid??? Does it make sense for instruments in some registers to be a little bit (too) early or late?
One example: When doing the String Section legatos (1VL/2VL/VA/VC/DB) I thought that judging by ear, it sounds more accurate when having the low instruments, Celli and Basses, play earlier. ... somewhere around 10-30ms before the higher Strings
Looking forward to hear some more thoughts!
+ would you place the pizzicatos 100% on the beat? (Screenshot)
One example: When doing the String Section legatos (1VL/2VL/VA/VC/DB) I thought that judging by ear, it sounds more accurate when having the low instruments, Celli and Basses, play earlier. ... somewhere around 10-30ms before the higher Strings
Looking forward to hear some more thoughts!
+ would you place the pizzicatos 100% on the beat? (Screenshot)
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David Magnus
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... here are all the rendered waveforms for a pizz section (Berlin Strings)So I am trying to figure out the whole Berlin Series NTD-Values at the moment. And I would like to get some more opinions regarding microtiming. Do you think that transients should ALWAYS be EXACTLY on the grid??? Does it make sense for instruments in some registers to be a little bit (too) early or late?
One example: When doing the String Section legatos (1VL/2VL/VA/VC/DB) I thought that judging by ear, it sounds more accurate when having the low instruments, Celli and Basses, play earlier. ... somewhere around 10-30ms before the higher Strings
Looking forward to hear some more thoughts!
+ would you place the pizzicatos 100% on the beat? (Screenshot)
1VL: -10ms
2VL: -20ms
VA: -20ms
VC: -20ms
CB: -10ms (here i would move the bass to -20ms or -30ms)
The low Strings have some notes that really feel "laid back", so I was looking at the average
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David Kudell
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Added Peteris Vasks Strings so you can go get your templates ready. 
madfloyd
Senior Member
How the heck did you do this when the library isn't released yet?Added Peteris Vasks Strings so you can go get your templates ready.
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David Kudell
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I’ve been testing the library.
