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Andrew Qualls said:
David, have you formed a complete opinion about the new strings library? I am thinking of getting it and if I do, it will be my first Chamber String Library, never had one before.
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It's great, I think it's the probably the best sounding string library I have. It's got more ambience than a library recorded on a stage designed for film music (like Berlin Strings or CSS) so I would say it's not a primary string library but a great second string library if you're doing film music. Then again, if you're scoring a period drama or even anything modern that calls for a "contemporary string sound" with a big ambience, it's really great for that. The amount of ambience sounds similar to what you'd get at Air Lyndhurst, so it's certainly usable. I already used it on a Hallmark Christmas movie and I blended it with CSS and it works very well.

Also, you get the first chairs too and they are just as good, and you can write some stuff that sounds totally realistic.

The one thing I haven't delved into are the special articulations, of which there are many, but to me it's worth it just for the core melodic stuff. So, the traditional melodic sections aren't watered down in any way, they're full featured.
 
OMG i love you David! This is insanly valuable and great! I was working on a track with BHCT, Studio brass and strings and appasionata (all spitfire)! This saved so much time! <3
 
David Kudell said:
It's great, I think it's the probably the best sounding string library I have. It's got more ambience than a library recorded on a stage designed for film music (like Berlin Strings or CSS) so I would say it's not a primary string library but a great second string library if you're doing film music. Then again, if you're scoring a period drama or even anything modern that calls for a "contemporary string sound" with a big ambience, it's really great for that. The amount of ambience sounds similar to what you'd get at Air Lyndhurst, so it's certainly usable. I already used it on a Hallmark Christmas movie and I blended it with CSS and it works very well.

Also, you get the first chairs too and they are just as good, and you can write some stuff that sounds totally realistic.

The one thing I haven't delved into are the special articulations, of which there are many, but to me it's worth it just for the core melodic stuff. So, the traditional melodic sections aren't watered down in any way, they're full featured.
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Thanks for replying, nice to see this from you! One thing I have heard about about string sections of this size is that depending on the strength or weakness of vibrato, it can sound thin if the Vibrato is weak. How would you rate the amount of vibrato on the main articulation's legato and sustains?
 
Andrew Qualls said:
Thanks for replying, nice to see this from you! One thing I have heard about about string sections of this size is that depending on the strength or weakness of vibrato, it can sound thin if the Vibrato is weak. How would you rate the amount of vibrato on the main articulation's legato and sustains?
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Two vibrato styles, but what’s unique in this library, at pp there’s very little vibrato and as you increase the mod wheel to invoke the higher dynamics they play more vibrato. Makes it very expressive.

As far as the size it doesn’t really sound like a small chamber ensemble, it sounds like a larger section, probably also because of the large space. The Celli and basses are where you will perhaps notice the smaller section compared to something symphonic.
 
David Kudell said:
Two vibrato styles, but what’s unique in this library, at pp there’s very little vibrato and as you increase the mod wheel to invoke the higher dynamics they play more vibrato. Makes it very expressive.

As far as the size it doesn’t really sound like a small chamber ensemble, it sounds like a larger section, probably also because of the large space. The Celli and basses are where you will perhaps notice the smaller section compared to something symphonic.
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Awesome!! Thanks again for your thoughts, I now wait for the walkthrough videos. They said that both was coming out seemingly last Friday for the ensembles and today for the soloes, but haven't seen them. Maybe they were talking about this week.
 
David Kudell said:
Heres a direct link to the database: Link






EDIT: Ok, here's a Google sheet I've created. If you're interested in contributing values for some instruments (and know how to use a Spreadsheet), let me know and I can give you write access.

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Original post: Is there a database anywhere of negative track delay values? Going through my template, figuring it out, it seems like there ought to be a resource for this - a Google doc or something? Or is everyone just figuring it out on their own? I know some of the manufacturers post their delays (Cinematic Studio Series) but others don't. And some libraries have different delays per instrument.

Maybe there's a way we can create a shared doc or something?
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A superbly helpful video David, thanks!
 
David Kudell said:
Heres a direct link to the database: Link






EDIT: Ok, here's a Google sheet I've created. If you're interested in contributing values for some instruments (and know how to use a Spreadsheet), let me know and I can give you write access.

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Original post: Is there a database anywhere of negative track delay values? Going through my template, figuring it out, it seems like there ought to be a resource for this - a Google doc or something? Or is everyone just figuring it out on their own? I know some of the manufacturers post their delays (Cinematic Studio Series) but others don't. And some libraries have different delays per instrument.

Maybe there's a way we can create a shared doc or something?
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Thanks for sharing David. Very instructive and useful!
 
It sounds to me like in BWW Revive (Kontakt), Clarinet 1 Legato should be the one with -180 delay and Clarinet 2 Legato -150.

In the spreadsheet the two numbers are switched.
 
BlueSky said:
Dear @Sample library developers
How about including this information in the GUI
Or just in the manual or in a text file at the very least?
Makes zero sense you don't

This thread wouldn't excist if you simply provided the information with the product
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lol I love this thread because it shows the libraries i should NEVER use. I have more things to do
 
Does anyone have any info for HZ strings?
Seems a bit like BBCSO with different offsets per velocity layer, really struggling to get consistency out of it.
 
Is this useful to me even if I use instrument Multi’s instead of individual tracks? I can only apply a single track delay on the multi, but each articulation will need a different delay.
 
tpedraja said:
Is this useful to me even if I use instrument Multi’s instead of individual tracks? I can only apply a single track delay on the multi, but each articulation will need a different delay.
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Yes many libraries have the same delays for all the shorts. So you could do one track for legato and one track for marcato, staccato, and staccatissimo for example.
 
David Kudell said:
Yes many libraries have the same delays for all the shorts. So you could do one track for legato and one track for marcato, staccato, and staccatissimo for example.
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Ah thank you, but I actually hold all my articulations in a single track per instrument: longs, shorts, special techniques, etc.
 
first off, wow, y'all are true mvps with this spreadsheet! straight up a game changer .

but ok ! pardon me if this was already established, but i was curious if there was a way to save and load up tracks as presets in Logic Pro. like essentially the same exact thing as saving a channel strip setting and patches and stuff on a track PLUS including a negative delay on the track itself? so for instance , i can just load up a CSS Cello Spiccato patch i already presaved with the track delay??? im having trouble figuring it out! thanks :)

but again, wow ! what a difference even just discovering this and having at my disposal has made on how much of my time goes towards the fun part ! LOL!!!
 
That's an invaluable spreadsheet thanks David, can somebody help me with SCS? Does it shares the same value as SSS or they're left blank because they are not completed ? Thank y'all
 
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