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They're referred to as "copyright strikes" however chord progressions, ostinatos and arpeggios cannot be copyrighted. I also don't see how YouTube could differentiate between a generated MIDI ostinato and the identical phrase played and quantized. In Nico's example it was clearly the pattern that triggered the strike. So YouTube has essentially redefined the term copyright for their own purposes, which simplifies the matter for them at the expense of the artists.
The legal status of copyright doesn't matter if the shows that are buying the music don't want to deal with potential ContentID issues. In any case, I do know that many shows (and so also likely production music companies) already have restrictions against the use of commercial loops and construction kits, and those are copyright free and so perfectly legal to use as well. But still you evidently can't use them if you want your music placed, at least on some shows. What I'm interested in knowing is where shows and companies are currently drawing the line as to what's acceptable, since there's no legal difference between using a royalty free loop or phrase library and a sample library.
 
Yeah, I know the tech behind ContentID is now capable of identifying samples, even heavily processed, at lengths as short as a second, so we’re already in range of sample libraries being a potential problem. I’m just wondering if any sort of standard has been set in terms of what needs to be avoided.

I presume none of these companies can say: no sample libraries at all. If that was the case we’d be hearing it here. So what guidance are those working on this sort of material actually being given? (I’ve heard no commercial loops including phrase libraries, no construction kits. But I’ve not yet heard that things like Ostinato libraries, texture libraries, and other traditional VIs that are suitably generic are not acceptable. Obviously there’s a large area of overlap if you consider things like orchestral effects, run libraries, and so forth.)

Action Strings 2 seems an interesting data point since, as far as I’m aware, it doesn’t use long loops but instead creates its units by assembling patterns of individual samples so the audio appears as a loop though a loop is never triggered. But the same thing will be true of virtually any library used to make common ostinati. So does that mean ostinati are now frowned on unless they are recorded anew?
I think any kind of phrase library that's in some way musical is risky, along with any packaged ostinati, sequence libraries (especially the ones that a lot of people have and use) are risky. I would never use a sequenced musical preset from something like Action Strings, or Heavyocity.

To my knowledge, there's no way to tell for sure if those things will be detected. The problem for you is if the company that's commissioning you to produce the music is contractually telling you not to use that sort of thing, and you do, and it becomes a problem for them down the line - that's when you've got trouble.

I think you're reasonably safe if you use some product like an In Session library that has an algorithm that digitally flips coins and generates a brand new sequence for you that has never previously existed.

If you're just a hobbyist and making music for fun, no problem.
 
S+A is very good stuff. Spectres is no different. I went from having none of their products to everything but Landforms in a little over a week. That one is dangling out there like a carrot due to my time commitments being thick, but my wallet being thin.
 
Decided to get Spectres as a new year’s gift to myself. Lea Bertucci’s star power, the impressive cast of NYC finest avantgarde musicians, the engine and most of all the recordings pulled me in. TL;DR: I fell victim to the marketing BS, lol.

Will be fun to mess with these WAVs in Halion, MSoundFactory and Soundpaint too. Maybe load ‘m up in Novum too, come to think of it. Tons of fun ahead. Will report back in 2024 with some audio / video “My First S+A” examples.
 
Decided to get Spectres as a new year’s gift to myself. Lea Bertucci’s star power, the impressive cast of NYC finest avantgarde musicians, the engine and most of all the recordings pulled me in. TL;DR: I fell victim to the marketing BS, lol.

Will be fun to mess with these WAVs in Halion, MSoundFactory and Soundpaint too. Maybe load ‘m up in Novum too, come to think of it. Tons of fun ahead. Will report back in 2024 with some audio / video “My First S+A” examples.
Wait until MYTH comes out! 😉
 
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Will be fun to mess with these WAVs in Halion, MSoundFactory and Soundpaint too. Maybe load ‘m up in Novum too, come to think of it. Tons of fun ahead. Will report back in 2024 with some audio / video “My First S+A” examples.
Have you looked at the WAV folders yet?
Are they easy to navigate by instrument, articulation etc?
 
What's Myth? How do you have info on it?
The newly announced and awesome Dawesome synth, slated for a january release. @Peter V has said this about it:

Some of the features:
* Velvet FM - a new form of FM synthesis. Its very simple: no algorithms, no operators. Just a few dials that allow you to tweak the sound. It can do classical sterile, glassy FM timbres, but also soft, organic, analog-ish ones

* you can import samples. These are "re-synthesised" to something like a "liquid wavetable". Its not a faithful playback like in a sampler, instead it trys to re-model the sample with a synth engine. Afterwards you have all these funny dials to change the sound

* under the hood there are innovative spectral, physical modelling, wavetable, FM and analog-modelling algorithms ... but its not an either or, its more like all this is brewed to one cohesive magic potion

Post #1848 in the linked thread.
 
I just got Spectres. Half an hour playing with it. I really don't understand all the fuzz about not be able to load your own samples. You get 666 high quality samples and the engine is so amazing it will take monts, years to find out which sound you can make with it. It's just completely nuts what is under the hood.
 
I just got Spectres. Half an hour playing with it. I really don't understand all the fuzz about not be able to load your own samples. You get 666 high quality samples and the engine is so amazing it will take monts, years to find out which sound you can make with it. It's just completely nuts what is under the hood.
Yeah, it's bonkers but that's par-for-the-course with S+A. For a reason why people sometimes complain about the inability to load samples, they're probably just really used to their workflow. Nothing wrong with that at all. 🙂
 
Have you looked at the WAV folders yet?
Are they easy to navigate by instrument, articulation etc?
It's one big folder with 4 x 666 samples. They’re all named according to instrument sampled + articulation + note sampled (and suffix 1-4 for recording version). In other words: simple but highly effective. Which makes the core material very “reusable” if one feels so inclined. So I can answer your question(s) with a resounding yes.

Spectres also comes with a nice big interface and it sounds fantastic.
 
It's one big folder with 4 x 666 samples. They’re all named according to instrument sampled + articulation + note sampled (and suffix 1-4 for recording version). In other words: simple but highly effective. Which makes the core material very “reusable” if one feels so inclined. So I can answer your question(s) with a resounding yes.

Spectres also comes with a nice big interface and it sounds fantastic.
I bought it also but it will take me some time to get around to trying it as I have a lot on my plate.
I do want to use it with my Halion trial though which expires next week.
 
I just got Spectres. Half an hour playing with it. I really don't understand all the fuzz about not be able to load your own samples. You get 666 high quality samples and the engine is so amazing it will take monts, years to find out which sound you can make with it. It's just completely nuts what is under the hood.
The loading your own samples thing isn’t knocking the library (it sounds incredible). As @c0nsilience mentioned it’s more just a workflow thing.

If there’s samples of an artist dragging a cactus across her cello and spitting on the strings, I’d like to do the same on my guitar and use the same setting in the engine, pan the tracks left to right respectively and see what result I can get.

It’s only because S&A are such an inspiring company that their libraries make me want to experiment more on my own instrument as well. I’m sure they’re gutted just as much as some of us are about the sample import not working out in the end.
 
I struggle to understand what it is that you don't understand about this! o_O
It came out and in this thread a lot of people complained about not be able to load your own samples which made it seem like an ordinary sample library. What it is completely not. That's all.

I also like to play with own samples in Straylight, Simpler, Kontakt, Landforms, Choreographs, Cycles,...

But I'm happy with Spectres. And that I'm not able to load samples is something I can live with.

Ad what not is can be maybe:

"On this occasion, it was not possible to incorporate importing your own samples for SPECTRES. At the moment we do not know whether it will be possible to implement this functionality in future."
 
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