How do I achieve this?
Sample Modeling - Solo & Ensemble Strings : Tips, Tricks, Demos, Tutorials.
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DANIELE
I love to make music but I also love to make music
Turn the body knob, the last voice should be "sordino".
Can you tell me which one is the body knob? I can not find.
DANIELE
I love to make music but I also love to make music
I'm not in the studio now and I don't remember if the name of the knob is "body" but it should be the knob to choose the type of body of your instruments. Like violin 1, violin 2 etc...
If you turn the knob all the way up you should get the "sordino", look in the manual.
I found it, thanks!
@Cristian Labelli there's another thread going on here where everyone is trying to figure out how Hans got the solo strings sounding so nice in his track:
vi-control.net
I have a rendition of the track with Sample Modelling Strings Solo Violin as the main violin parts in the beginning here:
vi-control.net
I actually like what I was able to get out of them but I feel like I still haven't mastered the instrument yet. Do you think you might be able to take the attached midi I have for the intro and show all the newbs here what a master can do with the Sample Modelling Strings
? I'm curious how close to the original track the SM violin and cello can get.
Wonder Woman 1984: Sketches by Hans Zimmer "In love" track
Absolutely mind-boggled by this: Its the highest quality strings mockup i have ever heard in my life, given hans said that the entire skecthes are programmed mockups. I mean even the melodies, even mozart would be proud of this. I think this is an underrated track, but probably the greatest...
vi-control.net
I have a rendition of the track with Sample Modelling Strings Solo Violin as the main violin parts in the beginning here:
Wonder Woman 1984: Sketches by Hans Zimmer "In love" track
Wow....having skimmed through this whole thread, it's all rather quite amusing. As H.Z. says himself, why not just get busy using what you have and get down to work. Or, sample some real musicians if you think you need something better? Regarding the cue that inspired this whole thread: - I'm...
vi-control.net
I actually like what I was able to get out of them but I feel like I still haven't mastered the instrument yet. Do you think you might be able to take the attached midi I have for the intro and show all the newbs here what a master can do with the Sample Modelling Strings
? I'm curious how close to the original track the SM violin and cello can get.
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muziksculp
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jesussaddle
Senior Member
I suppose I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but when I add Sample Modeling Cello to SWAM it makes SWAM more useful and convincing sometimes.
Woodie1972
Active Member
I don't know the SWAM strings, but do you mean in terms of playability, sound or more musically spoken? The sound of the SM cello is so unrealistic in the middle to high register, I simply can't use it for my mock-ups, hence the question.
Bollen
Vintage Member
You just have to drive that vibrato like crazy! Also, have you tried adding those IR that were suggested by @doctoremmet ?
doctoremmet
Senior Member
Who stole that entire idea from @robgb
jesussaddle
Senior Member
For me SWAM is fairly aggressive and use of controllers needs to be fairly constant although it offers a better illusion of a very close mic'd instrument. This unreality, both tonally, and due to expression being contrived using controllers, gets smoothed over with Sample Modeling as back up. But Sample Modeling Cello has an F that has extra non-musical noise they'd do well to fix (that one note is my only complaint, unlike with some other libraries where there are many), and also a bit of unwanted resonance in the high notes that I've found gets amplified if I'm not careful and fail to damp down some of the higher reverb spectral areas. Whereas I think SWAM cello does well with reverb. I don't try to make something that sounds like realistic orchestral seating. I'm just trying to keep the string/bow intimacy (which still exists even in a big hall) and avoid sounding them like a keyboard. With the 2 of them together, with the right reverb EQ and levels, the combination of virtual instrument vibratros, the do well to simulate a bit of an ensemble feel (If you give no attention, then I think Sample Modeling is less likely to be an obvious vibrato fake than SWAM. Not that I've spent enough time (I'm mostly trying to debug my DAW workflow in general) SWAM has a bit more possibility to personally sculpt in terms of it's response and controller-aided realism, right? But if you use S&E Strings on SWAM cello (not the ensemble version which I'm not sold on at all) you can build a bigger more realistic wash & you don't have to work so hard because of the complementary pairing. Just my opinion.
Bollen
Vintage Member
And the very yuky repeated notes...
pierrevigneron
Active Member
Hello everyone, hello @Cristian Labelli I came across this mock-up played brilliantly by Cristian Labelli. I really like the way vibrato is performed live. I know that the sample modeling instruments allow you to act on the vibrato deph and the vibrato rate but I see that Christian Labellie executes the vibrato live by acting on these two parameters with a single CC (the frequency of the modulation waves as well as their amplitude). I would like to know how to do this with the BBC 2 which I also have. I imagine it would be enough to assign the pitch bend to CC tilt, but I can't find a way to assign these controls in the CC remapping pages. Thanks a lot for your help.
pierrevigneron
Active Member
@Giorgio Tommasini , you would certainly have the idea for me
Cristian Labelli
Member
Hi @pierrevigneron
It's very simple.
Pitch Bend and MIDI CCs are 2 different types of messages. Among the differences:
- the range of the Pitch Bend is from 0 to 16383
- the range of MIDI CC messages is from 0 to 127
for this reason, it is not possible to find Pitch Bend among MIDI CC.
You have to select it directly within the TECMidibreathctrl software:
View attachment TEC SETTINGS PITCHBEND.mp4
Please, let me know if you solved the problem
Cristian
It's very simple.
Pitch Bend and MIDI CCs are 2 different types of messages. Among the differences:
- the range of the Pitch Bend is from 0 to 16383
- the range of MIDI CC messages is from 0 to 127
for this reason, it is not possible to find Pitch Bend among MIDI CC.
You have to select it directly within the TECMidibreathctrl software:
View attachment TEC SETTINGS PITCHBEND.mp4
Please, let me know if you solved the problem
Cristian
pierrevigneron
Active Member
Thank you very much Cristian for this answer which allowed me to understand immediately. I'm happy that I can now create my own vibrato with the precise rate and deph I want. However, when listening, the only downside is that it doesn't sound as natural to my ears as standard vibrato management. It would be wonderful if the tilt of the breath controller allowed you to act on both the rate and the deph of the vibrato. Who knows...maybe there will be a next update
pierrevigneron
Active Member
This option and a second solo violin and cello recorded with a ribbon mic for a warmer sound and I'm ready to break the bank again right away 
Cristian Labelli
Member
Yes, thanks to Giorgio's careful study of real models, the algorithms generate a very realistic vibrato, acting simultaneously on pitch, volume and timbre, whereas my approach works only on pitch.
The advantage is the ability to evolve the vibrato in a very musical way, both with rate (how fast you move your arm with the breath controller or your hand with the MIDI ring) and depth (how 'wide' the movements are).
