Bollen
Vintage Member
It's the same thing if you don't release the target note...
Sample Modeling - Solo & Ensemble Strings : Tips, Tricks, Demos, Tutorials.
- Thread starter muziksculp
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Hey there! I'm programing some SM Strings in a symphonic metal intro where marcato octave strings should double the guitar melodies. SM Strings slayed every other library I tried (CSS, Pacific, SSS) and I'm loving it's sound, but I noticed that the gridded MIDI I used on the programed guitars (song is in demo stage right now) doesn't sound perfectly in time with SM Strings. Some notes seem to be great, others not so much? Is that because of some kind of offset delay in the samples? Maybe some parameter I should tweak?
Since I don't play keys, I would like to program everything by hand and hopefully have every note gridded and sounding perfectly in time. How should I go about that?
Oh, there is a staccato ostinato that is sounding a bit off from the other instruments. Is that fixable as well?
Thanks a bunch for the attention!
Since I don't play keys, I would like to program everything by hand and hopefully have every note gridded and sounding perfectly in time. How should I go about that?
Oh, there is a staccato ostinato that is sounding a bit off from the other instruments. Is that fixable as well?
Thanks a bunch for the attention!
doctoremmet
Senior Member
Sounds like you need to dial in some negative track delay @jvms
Also check this excellent post by @David Kudell
vi-control.net
Also check this excellent post by @David Kudell
Negative Track Delay Database / Spreadsheet
Heres a direct link to the database: Link EDIT: Ok, here's a Google sheet I've created. If you're interested in contributing values for some instruments (and know how to use a Spreadsheet), let me know and I can give you write access. ---- Original post: Is there a database anywhere of...
vi-control.net
Sounds like you need to dial in some negative track delay @jvms
Also check this excellent post by @David Kudell
Negative Track Delay Database / Spreadsheet
Heres a direct link to the database: Link EDIT: Ok, here's a Google sheet I've created. If you're interested in contributing values for some instruments (and know how to use a Spreadsheet), let me know and I can give you write access. ---- Original post: Is there a database anywhere of...
I thought about that, but some of the notes sound pretty good. I wonder if there are other setting I should check.
Adding some extra info: I am in EWI mode, gridding every note beggining and end. There are no overlapping notes. CC2 and velocities are at 127, in the screenshot, but I'm playing arround with them.
maxbedroom
Active Member
Does anyone know if the ensemble strings are capable of super heavy vibrato? (The kind you might hear at the start of an accented note or elsewhere.) You would think since it is modeled vibrato. But all of the demos I could scour don't really push vibrato and there's no public manual.
justthere
Active Member
If you are playing attacks with a controller, if the controller curve peaks late on a note, it won’t line up the same as notes that have full dynamics at te start of the note on.I thought about that, but some of the notes sound pretty good. I wonder if there are other setting I should check.
Adding some extra info: I am in EWI mode, gridding every note beggining and end. There are no overlapping notes. CC2 and velocities are at 127, in the screenshot, but I'm playing arround with them.
Bollen
Vintage Member
Yes you can, with the vibrato rate knob. Here I tried going for a Gypsy style vib with relative success:
View attachment SM.mp3
I'm drawing everything by hand? Can I have control over this and make all not starts uniform?
maxbedroom
Active Member
That sounds very good but are the ensemble strings in particular able to achieve molto vibrato? Like in this demo at 0:14 the vibrato gets super heavy almost like a trill:
Or off the top of my head like the strings at the very start of this:
Bollen
Vintage Member
Yes! And the full section has an extra setting called asynchronous vibrato which is a hoot!
maxbedroom
Active Member
Ok thanks. I'm tempted.
justthere
Active Member
Sounds like another issue, then. Likely the strings are a little later than the click in general - you can start by using a general negative delay on the SM Strings tracks. Start with about -20 milliseconds, which will make it play earlier. Move it until it sounds right with the click. Then listen to how first the drums and then the guitars sound against the click. It could be that the other tracks aren’t as tight as they could be. Or it could be that your sequencer is not playing back consistently.
Also look at the attack duration parameter. Make sure it’s as short or long as required for the song .
DANIELE
I love to make music but I also love to make music
Did you use CC38? Maybe the attack is too soft and it gives you the impression of the notes playing late.
You have also to use the velocity at very high values to have a steeper attack.
mducharme
Senior Member
Where did you find it? I was looking for it too as I'm having exactly the same issue with the enemble cellos in the higher register, they sound like saxophones or something.
Woodie1972
Active Member
It's in this thread: I'm afraid you will have to scroll through it, or do an advanced search, to find what you're looking for. On the previous page there's already some info on EQ-ing the Violas, which have a similar problem around C4 and up.
In the end I quit trying, but that's because I didn't have enough time then, plus that I don't have great EQ skills, so it got pretty time-consuming to find my preferred sound.
Bollen
Vintage Member
In the end I gave up too. It doesn't matter how well you EQ it, they were sampled too close to the bridge so they have no box sound i.e. they all sound like electric instruments.
Bollen
Vintage Member
I would say 64 is somewhere between mp-mf. The rest you have to play it by ear, like a real musician does. They are relative and subjective terms...
Bollen
Vintage Member
Yes.
