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As for the rest of your post, Henson's multitude of credits hasn't kept him from being continuously employed and meeting deadlines.

There are a few, even Oscar-winners, but the vast majority of working composers use everything they know to keep producing their work. I certainly would be much slower and would be less inventive without it.

Sometimes, there seems to be an active antipathy here toward book-learnin'

Maybe it's just me but I use every last thing I ever learned, all the time, from bar bands to choir to orchestration. It's all helpful, including the bar bands; sometimes power chords are very effective, even if they're played by 20 brass players instead of a guitar.
 
I like the rest of your post but this ^^ -- sadly...too many counter-examples, alas.
I say this depends on how you define "really knowledgeable of theory, and how to apply it". the more important part being in "how to apply it". That's where so many other factors come in - all the stuff that's a little harder to define and pin down. things like our "feel" for music; our life experience that informs the choices we make.

And how exactly do you define "bad music"? Is an academically written Fugue, that's not quite as intricate as a JS Bach Fugue, bad music?

Bad music could be music that the client doesn't approve (then again, it might just fit perfectly for a different project, which transforms it into good music).

Bad music could be something the audience (the majority of it) doesn't like. Then loads of art music held in high regard by only a few would qualify as bad. Or a hundred years could pass and suddenly everybody is in awe of its genius.
One thing that comes to mind: bad music is when the composer fails to achieve what he/she intended due to lack of craft. But that's not an absolute either.

anyways, I don't really want to open a discussion about a definition of good and bad music - it's a bottomless pit. I just don't like the careless throwing about of such terms and the group bashing of those on the path.

in short, I too am baffled by the apparent theory phobia I so often encounter (not just here). Like JohnG says: I use everything I can. It's a competitive field after all.


patrick76, just checking, that was a joke, right?
 
I searched for Chris Henson and music theory. found this: His story is a good and I'm afraid typical example of the kind of bad experience with music theory that sours the field for some. Dissecting the many things Chris mentions would require it's own thread. He makes some good points and found his way of working. cool. He also implies that he does know quite a bit of theory - he just stores and recalls it differently than by "dots on a page".
 
Goddammit... why didn't I think of this?!

Heres what you should do Mike. Sorry I sound proselytizing, but it is what you should do. Heh. Not saying your courses arent great already, just this is how you hit the jackpot.

Add a bonus option to your courses. There would be both the option to buy:

A) Notation
B) Midi

You get the idea. In the (lets say) Horner class there the bonus option to buy either a notation example or a midi example of the Horner style you taught. Same goes for the rest. You know, we would get an erection for this bonus option mate. Not sure if its outside your philosophy of teaching, and if so, then so be it. But just saying....and personally I suspect nobody could do this better than Mike Verta. We are craving it like an Italian pizza after a trek through the desert (i.e. the five hours course trek). :)
 
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I think this makes total sense. I am hoping to release a string orchestration tutorial, and I am certainly going to include the midi files. I also wanted to do this as a lot of composers will record small string sections to add realism with larger sounding string libraries. So I want people to be able to see what that would be like, and also - perhaps - see how far you can push the libraries.

I used a "bad luggage lock" of 5-4-3-2-1 for the recording.

I think it makes sense. Below is an example, and the midi would be included.


This is wonderful Doug! Thanks for sharing this with us. I love how simple this was to understand :)
 
I'll be honest, I've not felt that any of the courses I've purchased online were of any real help. In fact, some were the opposite.

I'm still getting the hang of orchestration, but I can say that I have learned more about strings from listening to Vivaldi while reading along to the score than anyone online has ever taught me. Learned more about what kinds of flourishes and ornamentation the different sections can do by looking at analysis or scores of John Williams or watching elementary-school "meet the orchestra" videos than anywhere else so far. I've found greater insight in just watching Jjay Berthume (who also offers skype lessons) compose or breakdown one of his pieces on YouTube than any $100+ "masterclass". I got better at playing just from being the presence of and jamming with better guitar and piano players than I.

I'll not name names, I don't feel that's appropriate in this context, but it's been my experience that even paid courses online tend to have three major pitfalls:

One is that, simply put, they tend to cater to the lowest-common-denominator musically. They teach you: "Here's how to play a chord on the strings and play a very basic melody and here's how you can create an ostinato like The Dark Knight! That'll be 300 USD, please." There's little in the way about counterpoint, voice-leading, how to create more movement and energy in the piece and how to really craft a good theme. Which leads me to point number...

Two. Anyone can make a course and sell it. If they promote it well enough, they'll get subscribers. I've looked into some of the instructors, and found somewhere they say "Oh, well I don't really know much about theory to be honest and I'm entirely self-taught". It's like, not that they necessarily are bad at what they do or that you have to be a master to share insight, but this hardly makes you a qualified instructor. This kind of stuff, even to the point where some people teach BAD habits, is especially common on YouTube, and some of those people have made their way into paid courses.

Three. The courses can be misleading. I've seen trailers and read descriptions that make it sound like this course is going to "arm you with all the knowledge you need to compose and orchestrate your own music like the pros" (or some other self-elating slogan) only to pay for it, watch it, and it's mostly the teacher just talking and providing little in the way of demonstration. It's just a lot of florid, overly artistic language to describe what are, in reality, very practical and tangible concepts that skilled instructors could have you practicing in minutes. These are the ones that have annoyed me the most.

So TL;DR. I'll concede that I've probably had bad luck with the limited amount of online courses I have purchased, I probably am missing out on some out there that are really great, but even so — if I take anymore online lessons, it'll be one-one with someone whose work I like and respect and clearly has a significant degree of mastery over the craft. I just think it's better.

Kudos for being brave enough to say it.

The way all musical masters have learned is the same. Score study. (and today with our technology it can be combined with active listening which is even better). So it's no mystery how to improve as a composer. Study your heroes, study your heroes' influences. (for me, Williams and the Russians)

The problem is.... score study is something you must put a lot of effort into yourself, or else someone else must put a lot of effort into studying scores deeply and then create a structured lesson plan to share the lessons they learned, that also takes a lot of effort to create.

I think the general problem is that these seminars, with one exception I can think of aren't really lesson plans. More like long improvised Music Talks. They might tell you some valuable nuggets of info along the way but it's not STRUCTURED teaching that will sink in and really give you a comprehensive mastery of the topic.

There's a reason school is expensive and Ted talks are free.

There is a "YouTube guru" who has a 20 minute long video about How to Orchestrate like John Williams and the entire video is him breaking down what each instrument is playing during the first chord of Star Wars. In the course of the video he explains how trumpets transpose and so on. I have to wonder what audience doesn't understand basic instrument concepts yet is ready to "Orchestrate like John Williams"?

Also a tutti sforzando chord is like the least interesting and creative orchestration assignment. Of course the flutes are going to be playing high above the staff, where else would they play, middle C? JW is not an orchestration master because he knows how to assign out a sforzando chord, he's a master because he knows how to color 6 straight minutes of music with constant variety, clarity and nuance.

Is there an orchestration seminar out there where someone says, "here is the chapter on the Flute, here is its range, its characteristic roles in the orchestra, now I'm going to play you a dozen examples of how to unison or 8ve it with other instruments, those dozen exawill be drawn drawn from just as many diverse cues from JW and other masters, and we'll talk about what makes each color choice different and why each one works in its scenario"?

That would be a full time job, to create a course like that. Also just by structuring the course like that you are shutting out people with less instrumentation knowledge... and even more so, people who don't read music, which is a major section of the people who buy these seminars.

And people who don't read music hate being told "The very first thing you can do to become a better composer is learn to read music."

The following video has sadly very few views, I think if you study it it's a true master class in John Williams' (and Conrad Pope's) orchestration knowledge. Just study the different ways the woodwinds are doubled, how it's constantly changing and also working with the scene.

 
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There is a "YouTube guru" who has a 20 minute long video about How to Orchestrate like John Williams and the entire video is him breaking down what each instrument is playing during the first chord of Star Wars. In the course of the video he explains how trumpets transpose and so on. I have to wonder what audience doesn't understand basic instrument concepts yet is ready to "Orchestrate like John Williams"?

I've seen that video and definitely remember it as a "Too much internet for today" moment.
 
Also in regards to the conversation about MIDI files of orchestral music for you to practice "MIDI orchestration" on, there is a huge library of such files on the Net.

Just look here for instance:

http://johnwilliams.free.fr/midi.php?critere=film

Another excellent youtube channel full of score reductions & explanations, shared for free!



Yea, Noam, but I am basically saying to take this a step further. To show the, say, Silvestri style, (etc.) through midi. To show a basic chamber style through midi. And so on and so on, as organized courses.

Personally when I started - now I started composing when 16 years old, but only tried to orchestrate all myself - since 2 years ago, you know very well this is a lot of work. Some techniques I have discovered myself, for example, (just making something up now): bass plays pizzicato, woods do low harmony triads, cello does counter melody above that, oboe do the chords above the cello, string play in unison the melody on that. Flute does a run fill.

Right.

Fuck this has taken ages man to gather great styles, yes, its great to work this out yourself, but at the same time learn basic mastering, mixing basics, the daw, the libraries, the plugins, the reverb, the delay....you fuckin name it. Shall I have time to go and search all the notations too? Then fill them in midi. Maybe, but how can I also save time?

If someone delivers a midi class, fast food style, different styles, Im in. And Im not the only one. It will be a success.

If Mike does it he can buy a Porsche next year.
 
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patrick76, just checking, that was a joke, right?
Not so much a joke as an exaggeration. Btw, I was a composition major... I just don't believe knowing theory will make you a good composer....it may well help, but when you've heard as many composer concerts as I have, it becomes self evident.

I'm not anti-theory at all though, just the opposite. Knowledge is power.
 
Not so much a joke as an exaggeration.

I'm with you to some extend (certainly about theory being a powerful tool). Theory by itself will not make good composers. Theory by itself won't even make a good theorist. I'd never claim that it does nor do I think other proponents of studying theory would.
I like to go with: Some of us, me included, have to write a lot of "bad" music before we write "good" music. As a media composer, good music is the one that gets approved AND results in a call back (Hoodwinked reference) for the next project.
I do write "bad" music with every project - write a bunch of stuff - throw out what I think doesn't work. keep and develop the rest. main difference: nobody gets to hear the bad choices (well, mostly. rewrites after submitting tracks do happen of course).
Nothing is quite as effective at stopping me from writing (blocking my chi) than trying to write a master piece. That's of course a reference to Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny ( colorful language warning...)

sorry, that could derail the thread... but that movie is actually quite educational. especially for those about to Rock.
 
I learned my basics (and also what I did not want) at the conservatory and university.
But I learned a great deal last year about thinking out of the box regarding producing, sound design and in general the way to look at things regarding music production by the Masterclass from Deadmau5. I did not know his music very well and just knew his name, but got fascinated by the introduction of the masterclass (and the fact he has a wall of modular stuff there :grin: ). Best $100 spend in a long long time!
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/deadmau5-teaches-electronic-music-production

I'm thinking of getting the one with Armin Van Buuren.
 
Not so much a joke as an exaggeration. Btw, I was a composition major... I just don't believe knowing theory will make you a good composer....it may well help, but when you've heard as many composer concerts as I have, it becomes self evident.

I'm not anti-theory at all though, just the opposite. Knowledge is power.

My music courses were all expensive because I got them via college. I also appreciated the music ed. courses because we actually had to play the instruments. If you started on theory it can be a roadblock instead of trusting or experimenting using your ears more than your mind.

I've grown fond of dance genres and interested in the form of certain dance genres.

I'd want to create chillout music but there is very little out there. Maybe it's because it doesn't have a set of rules like other genres.
 
Has anyone checked out Leandro Gardini's, "Scoring Tools Masterclass?"
https://www.gardinischool.com/course?courseid=scoringtools
Looks interesting and he does have some chops...
 
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Never purchased a course but have watched/read numerous things online. Oh and via work I have access to Linkedin Learning which has various courses, have tried a few, kind of a mixed bag, nothing great so far I think.
 
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