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A book on correct fingering of piano scales

I'm not sure that's good advice for someone starting on their own. Some fingerings might feel awkward when starting because our fingers are not stretched and trained at all, but as we practice those fingerings, they start to feel natural. When I say that, I'm remembering when I started learning 7th chords arpeggios. The fingering seemed very strange and difficult at first, but I sticked to it and now I realized I can do the arpeggio very quickly and fluently that way. If I had started with my "own" fingering, I'd probably be less effective at best.

Once we have acquired the most common fingering techniques, yes I agree with you, we can start developing our own strategies for different situations. A "more confortable" way is not always the best path to take when we have untrained fingers and no teachers next to us to warn us.
There are two schools of thought here, and I'd err towards the one you're arguing against. There is the school of thought that says we need to do exercises that are uncomfortable until they become comfortable, and we develop strength, suppleness, etc. Then there's the school of thought that says that piano playing actually requires almost no strength, and we should be looking for the motions that are effortless, from the get go, rather than building strength.

Obviously there has to be some balance between the two, because some composers write stuff that simply isn't pianistic, and does require strength. But, on the whole, the latter argument is more important. There are 12 year old kids who can play the big repertoire with more apparent weight than I can, and that's not about employing strength. It's about first finding the right way to transmit arm and body weight to the keys, and secondly, relaxing. Things do become faster and more comfortable, because muscle memory is a thing - but we shouldn't really be persevering with movements that are uncomfortable.

Having said that, the usual fingerings given for scales shouldn't be uncomfortable for the vast majority of hands.
 
There are two schools of thought here, and I'd err towards the one you're arguing against. There is the school of thought that says we need to do exercises that are uncomfortable until they become comfortable, and we develop strength, suppleness, etc. Then there's the school of thought that says that piano playing actually requires almost no strength, and we should be looking for the motions that are effortless, from the get go, rather than building strength.

Obviously there has to be some balance between the two, because some composers write stuff that simply isn't pianistic, and does require strength. But, on the whole, the latter argument is more important. There are 12 year old kids who can play the big repertoire with more apparent weight than I can, and that's not about employing strength. It's about first finding the right way to transmit arm and body weight to the keys, and secondly, relaxing. Things do become faster and more comfortable, because muscle memory is a thing - but we shouldn't really be persevering with movements that are uncomfortable.

Having said that, the usual fingerings given for scales shouldn't be uncomfortable for the vast majority of hands.
Well, I was not really talking about strength, but rather flexibility, and I'd not say playing the piano erquires no hand and finger flexibility. Untrained hands will find even basic arpeggios not confortable. If a beginner decides on his/her own what fingers to use (we all started with our sole forefingers to play a melody 😄), that might work at the beginning but they'll eventually come across problems.

When playing fast, very slight movements make all the difference. As you stated, wrist, thumb position, raising the hand to make it more vertical for some passages, using one's forehand, elbow position, and getting rid of tensions, etc. Many fingerings are actually unconfortable because we keep tensions in one finger that project to another, not because they are unconfortable on their own.

Ultimately, if you set fingering strategies that let you play without constraint, that's not a problem. Who cares if the work is performed as expected? But I wouldn't let a beginner set his/her own strategies unless there are specific reasons (very small hands, etc.). A friend of mine learned on his own, he can play well, but he developed a strange habit: instead of using his thumb to move up on a melodic line, he passes his ring finger above his pinkie twisting his wrist. And he can do that several times rather fast to play several notes up that he didn't anticipate. But I'm not convinced he developed a good strategy... Once he'll want to play licks and runs, he'll have to learn how to use his thumb properly.

From my experience and from what I was taught, I admit I have a little hard time conceiving piano foundation differently, but I could be wrong. People are different, and other strategies might work well for other people. But keep in mind that the OP asked for advice as a beginner, not as an advanced player who can adapt his/her fingering for a specific passage to make it easier to play, that's another subject I think.
 
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This is quite an interesting discussion, and although I've played the piano for most of my life, I've never had rigorous training so I had to figure out a lot of this by myself. Yes it's easy to pick up bad habits that way!

I did want to mention that lately I've been trying to delve into jazz impro, and it really messes up with the techniques you might learn when studying classical piano. There are no hard rules in terms of fingering as you often need to make it on the fly depending on the approaches to a target note and where in the keyboard you're coming from. As a lot of these approaches are chromatic, you need to learn to be agile when having four of your fingers play four consecutive notes next to each other (which interestingly is harder than playing four notes spaced apart - which usually better matches a person's hand size). A lot of the jazz scales also have a different number of notes in them compared to the usual minor/major scales. That also can mess up with you when you're not used to it initially. Of course with jazz you also need to play with a triplet feel and play behind the beat, which is quite difficult when you're used to the rigidity of other genres requiring you to be very precise with your timing.

Speaking of the Hanon, there is also a Latin Hanon which focuses on genres like salsa, cha cha, etc. Definitely worth a check for those interested in such genres.
 
If you can afford it, invest in a semester's worth of formal private lessons. I can't emphasize how important this is. Even if you don't continue with the lessons, you will be set on a good course (provided you are diligent with practicing).
 
If you can afford it, invest in a semester's worth of formal private lessons. I can't emphasize how important this is. Even if you don't continue with the lessons, you will be set on a good course (provided you are diligent with practicing).
I agree, provided you go to a teacher recommended by someone you trust. If you just pick someone at random, you might get lucky; or you might be wasting your money. I’ve been there.
 
I agree, provided you go to a teacher recommended by someone you trust. If you just pick someone at random, you might get lucky; or you might be wasting your money. I’ve been there.
Yes, good point. I visited quite a few teachers before I found one that I was comfortable with.
 
I would look for the Julien Musafia book on fingering online. He was a world class concert pianist (1st Prize University of Budapest.) He edited the Shostakovich 24 Preludes and Fugues from the composer’s manuscript. His understanding of playing and fingering, based upon the physical science of the Musculoskeletal System of the fingers, hands, shoulders etc., was incredibly enlightening. I don’t know if there was a better teacher or book on fingering. He was something else to watch, listen to, and learn from.
 
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Here’s a link to the Musafia Book:

Here is a recording of him playing the Shostakovich Preludes and Fugues he edited in consultation with the composer. On the first fugue (second track) the independence of the voices he maintains in expression and particularly in dynamics is astonishing to me. I’m sure the original recording is very good but this translation to Youtube is not great.
 
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