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Thorsten Meyer said:
Ok, I do it tomorrow
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kurtvanzo said:
I'm actually waiting for the Thorsten Meyer playthrough video and review (was hoping this was it). Every 8Dio video is always pristine, while Thorsten goes through it warts and all, like I would myself. Some examples with reverb turned off would be good too. Thanks for the honesty Thorsten. :)
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Added shorter Videos and made a playlist for you @kurtvanzo
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzlyA4PxslCGzi6JbA9hCe2z8FPAkw_3X
 
Holy Moly these Thorston videos sound, well... not that good!

No release functionality. I'm out.

You could drench them in echo I suppose but without some sort of tail or "trail out" after taking your fingers off the keyboard at any point in the phrase, it seems like it would be too hard to make them sound good without the abrupt dropouts. I'm assuming a solution for that won't be in the final release on Thursday.

It looks like a library you might really have to tweak to get to sound good. A release button would be nice. It could just be his playing in these videos with Thorston not having enough time to figure how to use the library but then if it takes a lot of effort, I wouldn't be interested. Also nearly half the length of the videos is just visuals of showing off titles when I want to SEE what's happening on the keys!! Better to promote the library not the program the videos were created in or flashy girls.

Is it just my ears or do some of the phrases in these videos sound like they have sort of a reverse effect?

Also if you go back and look at the actual 8Dio Facebook walkthrough it looks to me like Troels might be playing poly & chords just a bit "ahead" of the words in the phrases to get the full phrase just right. Is that right? In other words the chord or key changes seem to be played a bit early or ahead (or in the middle of a phrase while it’s not finished) of when the next word starts. That could require some skill and effort if so.

I could be wrong but maybe someone who has some experience with this can let us know.

Sorry for the brutal honesty but this is the worse demonstration of a product I've seen if indeed you're trying to promote the benefits.

Please don't take this the wrong way Thorston because I know you mean well. Truly, I sincerely appreciate the videos, enthusiasm, and time & effort. I think some of us were hoping for more of an explanation or feedback about the pros & cons of the library. What might seem to work, what doesn't work, etc... "hello Daniel James! do you own this yet with a walkthrough for us?" lol! :) It was however good to see another perspective on the library other than 8Dio's perfect walkthroughs so we know just what some of the challenges could be when we load this thing up.

Still, it's way too early to tell. For me anyway.

I know there's an additional 10% offer right now on top of the intro offer but 8Dio would surely benefit to give potential eyeballers a little more time to figure this out before having to pull the plug by Wednesday's intro price deadline, being still in beta & all. If anyone else has some experience with this please jump in. Or 8Dio too.

I truly want this "sound" in my arsenal, but without the headaches, challenges, or a big learning curve on functionality.
 
MillsMixx said:
it looks to me like Troels might be playing poly & chords just a bit "ahead" of the words in the phrases to get the full phrase just right.
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I can't see the walkthrough since I don't have a Facebook account, but playing ahead of the beat, in many cases, is standard practice for choral libraries. In order to create realistic sounding tracks, you typically have to manipulate the timing of the notes to mimic real vocal performances.
 
MillsMixx said:
Holy Moly these Thorston videos sound, well... not that good!
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Please don't take this the wrong way Thorston because I know you mean well. Truly, I sincerely appreciate the videos, enthusiasm, and time & effort. I think some of us were hoping for more of an explanation or feedback about the pros & cons of the library. What might seem to work, what doesn't work, etc... "hello Daniel James! do you own this yet with a walkthrough for us?" lol! :) It was however good to see another perspective on the library other than 8Dio's perfect walkthroughs so we know just what some of the challenges could be when we load this thing up.

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I truly want this "sound" in my arsenal, but without the headaches, challenges, or a big learning curve on functionality.
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Hi there, please don't judge Insolidus based on these unauthorized walkthroughs! I've been playing with Insolidus for 2 weeks now and it's simply magical. I look forward to posting some tracks once I've completed the finishing touches. To be honest the only reason I haven't completed anything yet is because I've had trouble making my mind up with my parts, because EVERYTHING inspires me. Sometimes it's easier to complete something when a library is less well-rounded, because you have less options :)

Also, I've had the flu :(

It's true that due to the phrases with various syllables, the timing of your playing is critical, for example the phrase may run out of syllables while you're holding the notes and then it will go silent when you don't want it to. But surely this is simply a function of the style of library it is, it's not like a string library where you just play and hold notes and think about less parameters. I actually didn't find this to be a distraction anyway, I wouldn't judge a library based on how simple it is to play it live. Nevertheless, I find it utterly inspiring to just noodle around playing chords and ideas, the expressiveness and emotion is extraordinary and the phrases changing syllables prevent the ear from feeling a sense of repetitiveness and fatigue which would be an issue with a `normal' choir library.
 
zacnelson said:
Hi there, please don't judge Insolidus based on these unauthorized walkthroughs! I've been playing with Insolidus for 2 weeks now and it's simply magical. I look forward to posting some tracks once I've completed the finishing touches. To be honest the only reason I haven't completed anything yet is because I've had trouble making my mind up with my parts, because EVERYTHING inspires me. Sometimes it's easier to complete something when a library is less well-rounded, because you have less options :)

Also, I've had the flu :(

It's true that due to the phrases with various syllables, the timing of your playing is critical, for example the phrase may run out of syllables while you're holding the notes and then it will go silent when you don't want it to. But surely this is simply a function of the style of library it is, it's not like a string library where you just play and hold notes and think about less parameters. I actually didn't find this to be a distraction anyway, I wouldn't judge a library based on how simple it is to play it live. Nevertheless, I find it utterly inspiring to just noodle around playing chords and ideas, the expressiveness and emotion is extraordinary and the phrases changing syllables prevent the ear from feeling a sense of repetitiveness and fatigue which would be an issue with a `normal' choir library.
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zacnelson said:
Hi there, please don't judge Insolidus based on these unauthorized walkthroughs! I've been playing with Insolidus for 2 weeks now and it's simply magical. I look forward to posting some tracks once I've completed the finishing touches. To be honest the only reason I haven't completed anything yet is because I've had trouble making my mind up with my parts, because EVERYTHING inspires me. Sometimes it's easier to complete something when a library is less well-rounded, because you have less options :)

Also, I've had the flu :(

It's true that due to the phrases with various syllables, the timing of your playing is critical, for example the phrase may run out of syllables while you're holding the notes and then it will go silent when you don't want it to. But surely this is simply a function of the style of library it is, it's not like a string library where you just play and hold notes and think about less parameters. I actually didn't find this to be a distraction anyway, I wouldn't judge a library based on how simple it is to play it live. Nevertheless, I find it utterly inspiring to just noodle around playing chords and ideas, the expressiveness and emotion is extraordinary and the phrases changing syllables prevent the ear from feeling a sense of repetitiveness and fatigue which would be an issue with a `normal' choir library.
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See now that's good to know! I appreciate hearing that. At least it's some extra feedback. And I can see where you would find it inspiring :) I'm not trying to judge this based on those videos but rather concerned about control of the instrument. Because we all know how beautiful it can be made to sound. It always boils down to functionality not 8Dio's sampling as they're the best in my opinion.

Make no mistake I love 8DIo. If you knew how much I've spent with them you'd be embarrassed for me! I'm practically the poster child of V8P lol! It's just that I've really struggled with a lot of their libraries to get them to sound they way they do (or even somewhat normal) sometimes. Their Agitato Ostinato Builder was just one of them with a similar abruptness issue. I know that one is a completely different type of library for comparison but I eventually gave up and thought "this should be easier ya know?" Functionality in sample libraries are supposed to be getting better. We are surely seeing it this year and there's a lot of competition.

I realize a company's intention is put their best foot forward, but we need to how it really works and that it really might not be as easy as it looks (going silent upon releasing the keys, etc,) such as few of the things you mentioned. People need to know about potential limitations and see both sides before making such a hefty purchase!

That's why it's too early to tell as there's not a lot of other opinions, demos, & videos.

I guess what it boils down to for me is that 8Dio walkthroughs always sound great and are presented well. They seem so easy but when you get them they're really not, or there's a few things they're not telling us. Then you get it downloaded and fire it up and you're like "Oh damn. Is this really how that feature works? Wish I would have known about that." I rarely seem to have that issue with other companies. I have a few of the new Stezov Choirs. What you see is what you get. They work beautifully with little effort and they're presented that way. I'm really not trying bash anyone here but I feel some of the 8DIo walkthoughs are a bit misleading and and not always what your getting or a very important detail that could be a possible deal breaker is left out. Not really so much the sound of the samples (tell us if you're using echo please) but certain claims about features that don't behave the same way when I've bought them. Or an actual physical knob that lives in one of their walkthoughs but missing on mine with no explanation whatsoever. Those kinds of things.

Anyway this one's a a bit of a mystery. There's not much out there on Insolidus and the discount clock is ticking. And it sounds almost too beautiful to pass up. So I have to ask myself is it worth any of those limitations to get this beautiful sound? Maybe so. I'm just trying to avoid them and any frustration down the road.

BTW really sorry about the flu! Hope you get better!
 
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MillsMixx said:
Anyway this one's a a bit of a mystery. There's not much out there on Insolidus and the discount clock is ticking. And it sounds almost too beautiful to pass up. So I have to ask myself is it worth any of those limitations to get this beautiful sound? Maybe so. I'm just trying to avoid them and any frustration down the road.
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If you as well a V8P member you could wait and see if 8dio might do one of their V8P discounts for the complete libraries as last summer. It may even at a lower price point. 8dio has done regular discounts so I would not be worried about ticking discount clock )
 
Yeah, 8Dio loves the whole "limited time only" sales gimmick. It will be on sale again before you know it - probably at an even steeper discount - either on its own or as part of a make-your-own-bundle discount (like the one that's running now).

On a related note, today I upgraded to The New Hybrid Tools 1 for $29, ages after the "very limited" upgrade window for existing users "expired" on 15 March ;)
 
zacnelson said:
@MillsMixx as promised, here is a track I've done with Insolidus, I hope you find it helpful.

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Hey nice work! Thanks for posting! It was all Insolidus for the choirs right? I just noticed there were some other new tracks on soundcloud as well that feature the library so it's good to start seeing some demos :--) Are you finding the library easy to work with when playing the notes & chords? Still wish they had a release button so at least there's a even just a "little" bit of tail in case a person doesn't want to finish the full phrase, but then I don't understand fully if it works that way or not. Looks fun and inspiring either way!
 
I am a V8P customer as well and likewise have spent an embarrassing amount on 8DIO products. But I must say I have been very pleased with them which is reason for the many purchases. Regarding the pricing, do be aware the current custom bundle discount offering applies on top of the intro sale pricing. Considering the up-to-40% additional discount and also considering 8DIO has been known to raise prices before offering one of their big sales (particularly on newer items), the current offering may just rival their best sales, if not maybe better. Turns out, I was interested in enough of the current sale items plus one other small item to qualify for the 40% Off, which made Insolidus effectively only about $270, well under 50% of full price. So I ended up with 4 more items to feed my soft-gear lust :)

Edit: I see the Intro price on Insolidus has been extended through May 28. I meant to point out also that Insolidus alone qualifies for an additional 10% Off with the current Custom Bundle sale that goes through that ends May 20 (but up to the 40% additional discount with additional purchases).
 
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Does Insolidus go hand in hand well with Requiem sound wise? So Requiem for loud dynamics and Insolidus for softer ones (just like Metropolis ark 1 & 2 Choir). Has anyone used Insolidus and Requiem together? I'd love to know.

Also curious to know how soft the legato's and crossfade patches go. I doubt that that there is something as soft as the ppp Metropolis Ark 2 dynamic but is there something in there that goes really soft and delicate and is controllable?
 
Tatu said:
8Dio seems to know vocal stuff.
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Yeah they sound really nice... Which is why it irks me to no end that they still haven't made a standard choir library since Requiem Pro (which is so old that they were still Tonehammer when it came out). Normal choirs are so much more versatile than 200-singer choirs...
 
Zhao Shen said:
Which is why it irks me to no end that they still haven't made a standard choir library since Requiem Pro
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Even though I'm not a Facebook user, I can still see some content on Facebook pages, and I remember seeing someone on Facebook ask 8Dio about creating a choir library with a word builder (which to me would be a "standard choir library"). 8Dio replied by saying that they would never do that, because it doesn't sound realistic enough.
 
Maybe they know Soundiron and others have strong enough standard sized classical choirs and choose to aim for niches like 200 person choir and the epic end of choirs. They do have Destiny, which is a smaller one and sounds wonderfull though.
 
Polkasound said:
Even though I'm not a Facebook user, I can still see some content on Facebook pages, and I remember seeing someone on Facebook ask 8Dio about creating a choir library with a word builder (which to me would be a "standard choir library"). 8Dio replied by saying that they would never do that, because it doesn't sound realistic enough.
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No, not looking for a word builder. But a normal-sized choir would be nice. Just the idea of layering samples from a 200-person choir is a turn-off for me.
 
OK, I see what you mean. You were referring to choir size only. I thought you also meant library features and function.
 
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