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The greatest of all time

nolotrippen said:
GOAT film composers is like picking a GOAT romantic composer. Dvorak, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, yes yes yes.

And I really like Williams, but I love Goldsmith (and Morricone and Barry and Waxman,etc.)
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Exactly. Or like picking the best movie of all time or the best football player of all time. There is almost never a GOAT (in more restricted areas, there can be; Usain Bolt is probably the GOAT in his field). There is a tie among several composers.

EDIT: Also, why this obsession with the GOAT? Why must there be only one better than all the rest?
 
Chi said:
"Greatest" does happen to be a matter of opinion in this case. I figured that most people would be able to pick up on that. Regardless, Giacchino and Williams both went to Berklee, so they most likely got the same level of instruction. And Giacchino actually got his start by making stop motion animation movies. Then he realized that he liked choosing music for them even better than making them. So he's not only a composer, he's also a director. (Hence Werewolf By Night). Williams began by playing piano. So, while on paper Willaims may have had more musically focused beginnings, as a director MG cam naturally work with the film itself better. As a FILM composer, I think MG surpasses JW. We can have the conversation about orchestral composition separately.
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John Williams went to Juilliard. I don't think he went to Berklee.
 
PedroPH said:
John Williams went to Juilliard. I don't think he went to Berklee.
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Actually they both attended Julliard and not Berklee, so Chi may simply have had the name confused. Of course they also both had other formal music education, and Williams also "studied" under some of the GOATest of the GOATs as an assistant, orchestrator and session player, including Alfred Newman, Bernard Herrman and Jerry Goldsmith, among others.
 
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Formal-wise, JW received the vast majority of his composer training from Castelnuovo-Tedesco.
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