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Staff Pad Hardware compatibility list.

Welp I'm trying it.

I got a HUION HS611 but can't seem to get it to work completely with StaffPad on my desktop I realize it doesn't have it's own screen so I am writing on the peripheral while looking at my computer screen. So that alone will be a slight learning curve but I can get StaffPad to recognize my strokes. But there are a couple of other concerns. I cannot seem to get the Huion's built zoom to work with Staffpad. I can use it with web pages and other applications but not StaffPad. I have to scroll on my PC by CTRL and scroll on my mouse. Also, and perhaps those who are using the Staffpad on a desktop can share, but there's no eraser icon in StaffPad's menu. What's the workaround for this? Program the pen?

But I can see it's potential. it's nice having a larger work area than my Surface Pro to write with. Also the stylus and ink are more freeing on the Huion.

@jonathanparham - Hi Jonathan have I missed something ? I just looked up that HS611 and was very pleasantly surprised. The biggest potential advantage I can see of using a tablet with a desktop and large monitor is writing on the tablet while looking at the screen, so you don't have to give yourself a PITN whilst writing. Did that aspect work out OK ? (I presume the HS611 is or was hooked directly into your desktop PC ?) Apart from the zoom issue, how does that configuration work in practice from the functionality and the ergonomics perspective ? Is is stress free, or is it tiring ? Any feedback would be very useful ! MTIA
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@jonathanparham - Hi Jonathan have I missed something ? I just looked up that HS611 and was very pleasantly surprised. The biggest potential advantage I can see of using a tablet with a desktop and large monitor is writing on the tablet while looking at the screen, so you don't have to give yourself a PITN whilst writing. Did that aspect work out OK ? (I presume the HS611 is or was hooked directly into your desktop PC ?) Apart from the zoom issue, how does that configuration work in practice from the functionality and the ergonomics perspective ? Is is stress free, or is it tiring ? Any feedback would be very useful ! MTIA
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*gasp* I haven't tried it since my last post. I'm working on other stuff and currently on the road with StaffPad (Minus the HS611)

It 'worked' but I've grown very accustomed to pinch/zooming all the time and sliding around the score on my Surface Pro. So yeah it was nice seeing StaffPad on my larger studio monitor and hearing music through the same audio interface as my DAW; but I didn't 'practice' with it. I'd need to orchestrate a minute or so of music to get used to it.

Off the bat it felt weird like typing or playing scales without looking to see where your fingers go. I think why StaffPad works for me is as a pianist I feel comfortable playing things into a DAW but with StaffPad I hear the mockup/playback immediately as I write notes on the staff as opposed to the piano roll.

So it works BUT I'd have to get used to it. I think for a few hundred more I could have a tablet where I 'see' the score on the surface as I write could work.
(edited for spelling and clarity, I was up late)
 
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Thanks Jonathan ! If you ever try that orchestration exercise, do tell !! ;) :)
ok just tried again. Even after your script, I don't have the patience for it. At least not on a surface that is not mirroring the screen. I'm drawing half notes too big and not quite connecting noteheads.
 
Thanks for the feedback Jonathan. The script though is not mine .... ;)

I have concluded a) that it is unrealistic to expect that SP will list hardware alternatives other than those from Microsoft and Apple, and b) that it is therefore up to users to take the lead in sharing information about both alternative hardware and ergonomic configurations, as the latter affects the choice of hardware.
 
I have concluded a) that it is unrealistic to expect that SP will list hardware alternatives other than those from Microsoft and Apple, and b) that it is therefore up to users to take the lead in sharing information about both alternative hardware and ergonomic configurations, as the latter affects the choice of hardware.
perhaps you right. I like StaffPad LTD but they are small team
 
The idea with this next post is to try to give us another dimension with which to look at alternative hardware - @col , as the OP, if your view is that this is OT, I have no issue at all moving it. However, for me, I find it impossible to separate the list of compatible hardware from the way the item will be used ergonomically, and by listing these explicitly somehow, it allows us to classify different hardware into multiple use cases.

Again to the OP, perhaps my classification is a bit too complex, and perhaps there is a simpler version that you would like to use in your original post, which you seem to be editing as more people post on this thread. I hope you find this extra dimension useful and might think of a way of adding this into your list somehow.

Many SP users and potential will be (or have been) looking for a way to make the whole experience as easy, fast, and least tiring as possible, both at a desk and out and about, and some people find particular ways easier.

From looking at this and other threads here on vi-control, these are the possible ways I can identify where people have had some success - if any of you good folks can identify others, all the better. So here goes !! If anyone can simplfy this, great - this is still in somewhat of a brain-dump state !!

Case 1
Using a combined tablet/display/computer as the entry device, drawing directly on and looking at the screen, effectively in absolute/tablet mode,
Case 1a) at a desk, flat on the desk
Case 1b) at a desk, tilted up at an angle of up to 90 degr.
Case 1c) on your lap, on the arm of a sofa, etc.,

iPads, Surface devices of all types from Microsoft, and compatibles such as Windows Ink/multitouch enabled laptops from the likes of HP (Envy), Lenovo, Dell and others seem to fit into this category.


Case 2, as per case 1 but using a desktop PC with a combined tablet/display connected to it.
Again we might have sub case types 2a, 2b, and perhaps 2c. The typical combined tablet/display devices are the high end Wacom Cintiq Pro screens, Dell's Canvas, and the lower end models from XP Pen, Huion, and others. (Quality issues can arise in the construction of the screens with parallax issues leading to inaccurate pen placement.)


Case 3, as per Case 1, but instead of looking at the device whilst entering notes, looking instead at a large LCD monitor connected as a mirror to the device, so as to make the display effectively bigger and to avoid having to bend over a smaller device.
Case 3a, where the device is flat on a desk and the monitor is positioned the same way as normal desktop monitor
case 3b, as per case 3a, but where the device is on a desk but at an angle of up to 90 deg
Case 3c, where you are sat on a couch and have the device on your lap and where the large screen is positioned like (or is) an LCD TV


Case 4, where the large monitor is positioned as per case 3, but where the screen is removed from the input decice, and instead a simpler and generally more inexpensive tablet is used, one that has no display, and you are drawing on the tablet whilst looking at the large lcd monitor in its normal position. This is the way that many graphic artists work, so obviously that user base has gone through the learning curve of drawing on one thing and looking at another.

There are many devices including those from Wacom, XP Pen, and Huion.
This case set 4 is not often considered - but it offers the possibility of using the tablet in relative mode. (Wacom call this mouse mode.) A caveat is that not all tablets come with the facility to change from Absolute (pen_ mode to relative (mouse) mode - YMMV. (I believe Huion at one time did not support relative mode, but this may have changed since the release of their v14 driver in 2018).
Case 4a is where the tablet is used in absolute mode (where the whole tablet area is mapped or scaled to the screen), and
Case 4b is where the tablet is used in relative mode.

At the end of this post is a link to a video that gives a pretty good explanation of the difference between absolute and relative modes, in case that is of use.

The potential advantage of this last relative mode approach is that for minimal hand movement and a little bit of a learning curve, a very comfortable working method might be possible.

Hopefully by drawing these distinctions, we can encourage others to come forward with their experiences of using the devices and the different configuration cases. This may also be a trigger for some of us to try different configurations and let us know how they work out ergonomically. Hope this is of some use !
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ok just tried again. .......... I don't have the patience for it. At least not on a surface that is not mirroring the screen. I'm drawing half notes too big and not quite connecting noteheads.

Just an afterthought Jonathan - was the Huion set to absolute mode or was it set to relative mode when you retried your test ? If it was absolute, you might try the tablet in relative mode and experiment a bit ... I have a suspicion that this could make a difference .... ;) :)
 
Just an afterthought Jonathan - was the Huion set to absolute mode or was it set to relative mode when you retried your test ? If it was absolute, you might try the tablet in relative mode and experiment a bit ... I have a suspicion that this could make a difference .... ;) :)
hmmm dunno. Your persistence 'may' make me pull it out again. lol I have till next week to get a refund on it.
 
I use it with a Windows PC, and a Dell Canvas 27 touch monitor/pen input. Literally any multi-touch input with active pen will do on Windows 10. If you're in doubt, just think "windows ink" compatible.
Is there a smaller version of Dell Canvas available? I think ideally I would want something A4 size (14-15 inch).. a tablet that you could hold on your lap, sit on the couch and write. But also it should act as a possible secondary screen connected to a laptop (when I want to work at a desk) - similar to how Dell Canvas works (from what I've seen).
 
Okay, after doing some research, I've found two interesting pieces of machinery:

The Wacom MS Pro also comes in a 13 inch version.. they seem to be more or less what I want, albeit expensive. These are clearly aimed at professional artists, but I really appreciate the non-glossy (matte?) screen and from what it seems, paper-like feedback with the pen. Has anyone found a similar, but cheaper alternative? Or is there some sort of regular tablet/convertible 2-in-1 available with a matte screen and a good stylus pen?
 
Has anybody gotten the middle mouse button to scroll the canvas to work, in any form? I'm using a somewhat atypical setup (external Huion tablet) that I've mostly got working, but I can't crack this. No matter what I do middle mouse button just draws, no matter if it comes from a mouse, the pen, an autohotkey, whatever. It doesn't seem like it should necessarily be because of this setup but you never know.

There's some funky behavior that happens when the Huion tablet drivers are set to enable Windows Ink. Turning it off seems to work better, in case anybody has similar hurdles.
 
Has anybody gotten the middle mouse button to scroll the canvas to work, in any form? I'm using a somewhat atypical setup (external Huion tablet) that I've mostly got working, but I can't crack this. No matter what I do middle mouse button just draws, no matter if it comes from a mouse, the pen, an autohotkey, whatever. It doesn't seem like it should necessarily be because of this setup but you never know.

There's some funky behavior that happens when the Huion tablet drivers are set to enable Windows Ink. Turning it off seems to work better, in case anybody has similar hurdles.
I've a similar setup: running SP on Windows 10 desktop PC with a Huion HS611 Pen Tablet. The middle scroll wheel works fine for me. In fact, I found it very useful when I use the scroll wheel and Ctrl key to zoom in and out. Working/using all three input devices -- pen/tablet, keyboard, and mouse -- I can get most everything done as you would on a Surface Pro or iPad, though not as efficiently.
 
There's a new contender but I am unsure about comparability.

It comes with a passive pen but I asked xp pen and they said it's windows ink compatible so it should work?
Would this enable you to work with Staffpad just as you would on a surface pro?
 
I have a Surface 3 (not pro) with 4 gb of ram and a Microsoft pen. Would I be able to use Staffpad smoothly with that configuration? Staffpad is on sale for a couple of days, but I'm afraid it won't be fluid enough and may be lagging.
 
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