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Maximvs said:
3. I find it hard to get my head around Dorico expression Maps and I wish there were more in depth tutorials. I have seen a few guys here on VI Control using expression maps with special text techniques and according to them this method works great. I will give your method a try.
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I've made a few full EMs that I have tried to use (VSL Woodwinds and SampleModelling), but I just find myself overriding them more than actually using them.

Another point is, if you find yourself at a situation where you need to change something, you not only have to add it to the EM, but you also need to create the playback technique to trigger it. It is obviously much faster to simply notate a KS in the staff below.
Maximvs said:
Do you have a particular method to speed up the input of KS into the secondary stave or if you work for example on woodwinds you may copy/paste the KS that may recall a similar articulation for flute, oboe, clarinet, bassoon, etc?
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Yes, lots of copy/paste when the instruments are playing in unison. But more commonly, at least for the way I write which is a lot of counterpoint, is I'll just copy a semiquaver that I've nudged to the left by a few ticks. Then I just paste it where needed.

Another point I forgot to mention is that humans don't generally play dynamics in the same way i.e. the same curve. If you let Dorico control dynamics you get this weird organ like ramp that sounds very artificial. By drawing curves by hand, which just takes a second, I get much more realistic changes in dynamics, particularly within sections.
 
Bollen said:
I've made a few full EMs that I have tried to use (VSL Woodwinds and SampleModelling), but I just find myself overriding them more than actually using them.

Another point is, if you find yourself at a situation where you need to change something, you not only have to add it to the EM, but you also need to create the playback technique to trigger it. It is obviously much faster to simply notate a KS in the staff below.

Yes, lots of copy/paste when the instruments are playing in unison. But more commonly, at least for the way I write which is a lot of counterpoint, is I'll just copy a semiquaver that I've nudged to the left by a few ticks. Then I just paste it where needed.

Another point I forgot to mention is that humans don't generally play dynamics in the same way i.e. the same curve. If you let Dorico control dynamics you get this weird organ like ramp that sounds very artificial. By drawing curves by hand, which just takes a second, I get much more realistic changes in dynamics, particularly within sections.
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I've been following this with interest. Are you also interested in maintaining visual accuracy as well? In other words do you notate cresendos and decrescendos but override them in your additional staff?
 
Bollen said:
I've made a few full EMs that I have tried to use (VSL Woodwinds and SampleModelling), but I just find myself overriding them more than actually using them.

Another point is, if you find yourself at a situation where you need to change something, you not only have to add it to the EM, but you also need to create the playback technique to trigger it. It is obviously much faster to simply notate a KS in the staff below.
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Thanks for your feedback and considerations.

Yes, lots of copy/paste when the instruments are playing in unison. But more commonly, at least for the way I write which is a lot of counterpoint, is I'll just copy a semiquaver that I've nudged to the left by a few ticks. Then I just paste it where needed.
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The semiquaver nudging you are talking about I assume is done in the key editor, correct?

Another point I forgot to mention is that humans don't generally play dynamics in the same way i.e. the same curve. If you let Dorico control dynamics you get this weird organ like ramp that sounds very artificial. By drawing curves by hand, which just takes a second, I get much more realistic changes in dynamics, particularly within sections.
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Thanks for this other important point about uniform dynamics unnatural effect. Although you write dynamic curves by hand, do you still add dynamic markings in your main instrument staves (i.e. the staves used for a print out score) and simply use the Playback bypass feature in Dorico?

Cheers,

Maximvs
 
Maximvs said:
Thanks for your feedback and considerations.


The semiquaver nudging you are talking about I assume is done in the key editor, correct?


Thanks for this other important point about uniform dynamics unnatural effect. Although you write dynamic curves by hand, do you still add dynamic markings in your main instrument staves (i.e. the staves used for a print out score) and simply use the Playback bypass feature in Dorico?

Cheers,

Maximvs
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I’ve had good luck ‘playing’dynamics with a breath controller or sliders too.
 
swinkler said:
I've been following this with interest. Are you also interested in maintaining visual accuracy as well? In other words do you notate cresendos and decrescendos but override them in your additional staff?
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Yup. But considering Dorico is normally using just velocity and the vast majority of my libraries use CC11 or CC1, I don't even have to disable their playback.
 
Bollen said:
Yup. But considering Dorico is normally using just velocity and the vast majority of my libraries use CC11 or CC1, I don't even have to disable their playback.
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Oh yeah I guess if you’re not using expression maps that would be the case.
 
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