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Wallander said:
We don't have anything like that in place since the engines were created separately and are two very different libraries from our point-of-view. Still, we're flexible. If you email support, we can transfer the Kontakt Cine NPPE engine into the Musio Cine engine, if you'd rather have the Musio engine.

For most people, the Musio engine supports a greater selection of sounds they have access to. On the other hand, the Kontakt engine has microphone positions and performance legato that are very difficult to support, which is also why the price is higher for some engines.
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That makes total sense!
Wallander said:
Musio is extraordinarily optimized. On my M1 machine, the full Musio Cine template loads in less than five seconds and uses around 10 GB of RAM in total. The Kontakt engine uses 50+ GB and takes a few minutes. Unfortunately, there’s a penalty to using multiple instances of a sound in Kontakt
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Great news. Musio has great pricing and a ton of content. That's very promising. I'm finding that the more libraries I have to test different phrases from within NPPE the less work I have to do replacing stuff during production. It's such a huge time saver. Really, months later I'm amazed at how great a software NPPE is. The way it handles stem export is genius. I wish I could do the same in VEP. I also feel it handles the CPU very well. Not sure what you did on that front.
 
Hello Arne, question for you on the planned added support for BBCSO Piano (thanks in advance!).

Was wondering what contexts will NPPE be ideal for using this piano? The reason I ask is I write a lot of solo piano works in many different styles - currently, it's mostly diatonic music in romantic, classical or baroque styles - and was wondering if the playback engine used with the BBCSO Piano would be suited for this situation?

Yes, am thinking about buying the BBCSO Piano (just to use with NPPE) and was checking out its demos on the Spitfire site. It is wonderful:) but at least to me, it seems like it is more geared toward use with an orchestra (has a bright, open sound), and was wondering if this is the situation with which the piano and NPPE will be designed to work best. Thanks!
 
saegeun said:
Hello Arne, question for you on the planned added support for BBCSO Piano (thanks in advance!).

Was wondering what contexts will NPPE be ideal for using this piano? The reason I ask is I write a lot of solo piano works in many different styles - currently, it's mostly diatonic music in romantic, classical or baroque styles - and was wondering if the playback engine used with the BBCSO Piano would be suited for this situation?

Yes, am thinking about buying the BBCSO Piano (just to use with NPPE) and was checking out its demos on the Spitfire site. It is wonderful:) but at least to me, it seems like it is more geared toward use with an orchestra (has a bright, open sound), and was wondering if this is the situation with which the piano and NPPE will be designed to work best. Thanks!
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Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to answer that since it's a mixing question more than a technical question. It's better to listen to demos and ask real-life library users. Sorry for not having a better answer.
 
Wallander said:
Unfortunately, I'm not qualified to answer that since it's a mixing question more than a technical question. It's better to listen to demos and ask real-life library users. Sorry for not having a better answer.
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Thanks for the info Arne, I'll ask around, appreciated!
 
saegeun said:
Was wondering what contexts will NPPE be ideal for using this piano? The reason I ask is I write a lot of solo piano works in many different styles - currently, it's mostly diatonic music in romantic, classical or baroque styles - and was wondering if the playback engine used with the BBCSO Piano would be suited for this situation?
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I would say that the general consensus is that piano made mainly to work with an orchestra (the BBCSO). It can do solo work, but you'll probably get better functionality in other pianos.

Comparing it with other pianos in the same price range (like Cinepiano), it has good things and others not so good.
- Good: excellent sound, tons of mics, mix very well with BBCSO. It has round robins (4 if I recall).
- Not so good: compared to something like Cinepiano, it needs some more dynamic layers (BBC only has 6) and some controls like repedaling or halfpedal.

Conclusion: BBCSO is a great piano, but if your main goal is to write for solo music, go somewhere else. Cinepiano in the same price range is great, but at the end, it still lacks some things. VSL pianos are probably your best friend in this case (a TON of dynamic layers, half pedal, repedaling, una corda, etc).
 
Francisco Lamolda said:
I would say that the general consensus is that piano made mainly to work with an orchestra (the BBCSO). It can do solo work, but you'll probably get better functionality in other pianos.

Comparing it with other pianos in the same price range (like Cinepiano), it has good things and others not so good.
- Good: excellent sound, tons of mics, mix very well with BBCSO. It has round robins (4 if I recall).
- Not so good: compared to something like Cinepiano, it needs some more dynamic layers (BBC only has 6) and some controls like repedaling or halfpedal.

Conclusion: BBCSO is a great piano, but if your main goal is to write for solo music, go somewhere else. Cinepiano in the same price range is great, but at the end, it still lacks some things. VSL pianos are probably your best friend in this case (a TON of dynamic layers, half pedal, repedaling, una corda, etc).
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Thanks for the info, will look into VSL pianos!
And, would you happen to know if these pianos are supported by Noteperformer NPPE? Hoping maybe they are since they are apart of the VSL synchron series.
Thanks!
 
Francisco Lamolda said:
I would say that the general consensus is that piano made mainly to work with an orchestra (the BBCSO). It can do solo work, but you'll probably get better functionality in other pianos.

Comparing it with other pianos in the same price range (like Cinepiano), it has good things and others not so good.
- Good: excellent sound, tons of mics, mix very well with BBCSO. It has round robins (4 if I recall).
- Not so good: compared to something like Cinepiano, it needs some more dynamic layers (BBC only has 6) and some controls like repedaling or halfpedal.

Conclusion: BBCSO is a great piano, but if your main goal is to write for solo music, go somewhere else. Cinepiano in the same price range is great, but at the end, it still lacks some things. VSL pianos are probably your best friend in this case (a TON of dynamic layers, half pedal, repedaling, una corda, etc).
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You may not be aware of this, but CinePiano doesn't have many dynamic layers either (I believe just 8). Mike Patti (founder of CineSamples) mentioned on a video once he doesn't really believe in the need for a ton of dynamic layers for a piano (YMMV).
 
saegeun said:
Thanks for the info, will look into VSL pianos!
And, would you happen to know if these pianos are supported by Noteperformer NPPE? Hoping maybe they are since they are apart of the VSL synchron series.
Thanks!
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We will support the dry Bosendorfer that’s included with SYNCHRON-ized SE1.

The entire Synchron piano collection is many terabytes and uses a different VST3 plugin. We want to support them but need to process them separately. Not only for their size, but an NPPE can only map against one VST3 plugin due to how it’s structured.
 
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ALittleNightMusic said:
You may not be aware of this, but CinePiano doesn't have many dynamic layers either (I believe just 8). Mike Patti (founder of CineSamples) mentioned on a video once he doesn't really believe in the need for a ton of dynamic layers for a piano (YMMV).
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I know. If I recall, Cinepiano has like one or two more dynamic layers than BBCSO Piano. It's not a big difference, but it was enough for people to complain about the number of it in the BBCSO Piano thread.
 
Wallander said:
we only support the Bosendorfer that’s included with Synchron Prime
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Arne, I fear I can't see any piano included with Synchron Prime. There is the old Bösendorfer included with Special Edition Vol. 1, and then the free Soft Imperial, that is not a typical concert piano preset. Which is the piano used by NotePerformer?

I guess replacing it with any other piano, if one doesn't own the needed library, is not a major issue.

Paolo
 
ptram said:
Arne, I fear I can't see any piano included with Synchron Prime. There is the old Bösendorfer included with Special Edition Vol. 1, and then the free Soft Imperial, that is not a typical concert piano preset. Which is the piano used by NotePerformer?

I guess replacing it with any other piano, if one doesn't own the needed library, is not a major issue.

Paolo
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Apologies, I was confused with VSL libraries. I will edit my post.

The Bosendorfer is a dry instrument that's included with SYNCHRON-ized SE1. It will be supported by NotePerformer 4.2.

There's no piano in Synchron Prime.

Even if there was, since an NPPE can only draw from one VST3, we can't support a Synchron Piano in the same NPPE as other Synchron Sounds, because they require the Synchron Piano VST3 that's a separate VST3.
 
Hello Arne,
I have just purchased the Piano Core indexed to the BBCSO Core from Spitfire Audio.
Can I already use it with version 4.1? and when will you announce the next release of NPPE update 4.2?
Thanks for your return.
 
The Synchron engine is really impressive. Impressively impressive. There is realism and clarity that would require a lot of work, if done bit by bit.

I suspect percussions are a bit too soft, but I can't understand if it is some wrong setting on my side. I had the same impression with Synchron Prime.

Paolo
 
ptram said:
The Synchron engine is really impressive. Impressively impressive. There is realism and clarity that would require a lot of work, if done bit by bit.

I suspect percussions are a bit too soft, but I can't understand if it is some wrong setting on my side. I had the same impression with Synchron Prime.

Paolo
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Matching dynamics is complicated and a constant work-in-progress since we're dealing with sounds with different characters. If you feel an instrument is too soft, you can permanently add some gain for that slot in the NPPE template in the equalizer for the instrument.
 
ptram said:
The Synchron engine is really impressive. Impressively impressive. There is realism and clarity that would require a lot of work, if done bit by bit.

I suspect percussions are a bit too soft, but I can't understand if it is some wrong setting on my side. I had the same impression with Synchron Prime.

Paolo
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Completely agree with this. Since i use noteperformer I hardly fire up my DAW anymore.

My workflow is that for all "percussive" Instruments (including piano and harp) I still use the VSL expression maps (Dorico). Here the bonus that NPPE brings is hardly noticeable (for me) and having the possibility of direct CC manipulation (which is hardly ever necessary) gives me flexibility when needed.
For everything else ... NotePerformer :emoji_heart_eyes:
 
ptram said:
The Synchron engine is really impressive. Impressively impressive. There is realism and clarity that would require a lot of work, if done bit by bit.

I suspect percussions are a bit too soft, but I can't understand if it is some wrong setting on my side. I had the same impression with Synchron Prime.

Paolo
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Yes that's what I'm finding this morning as well. I'm working a short little ditty and have been trying it back and forth with BBCSO, SSO, and Synchron. I'm pretty blown away by how good the Synchron rendering is. I even like the strings better than BBCSO which I'm surprised by.
 
Wallander said:
We will support the dry Bosendorfer that’s included with SYNCHRON-ized SE1.

The entire Synchron piano collection is many terabytes and uses a different VST3 plugin. We want to support them but need to process them separately. Not only for their size, but an NPPE can only map against one VST3 plugin due to how it’s structured.
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... a late thank you for the info Arne! And just ended up buying the BBCSO Piano (got it on sale). Look forward to trying it with NPPE
 
Hello Arne
What is the future release update of Noteperformer after the 4.3 ? Is it before Christmas day ?
 
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