funnybear
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Excellent, thank you!
Dorico 5 released (May 24, 2023)
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Vik
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First, I'm not very experienced with Dorico, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Since 5.10 'Select Right' and 'Scrub Right' both use → (arrow right), which makes sense. If 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected' is enabled, we'll get key command based 'scrub', which is brilliant. I have tried it in 5.10 and it works, including the thing about all the notes on all tracks being played using this kind of scrub or 'select right/left'.
There are a few things which I don't quite understand yet. The first is that quite often.
As far as I can tell so far, I never want Dorico to leave that mode unless I manually deactivate Scrub Playback, but disabling Scrub happens quite often, eg. if I start to edit a note – which I do: after all. the need for editing is why I use this function, and I guess this is true for most users.
I mainly think of the key command based scrub function (when used along with 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected') as a different navigate left/navigate right behavior; a different mode for how 'Select right' and 'Select Left" behaves. This is very close to how Sibelius works, and a big thing for me, so big that I'd prefer to also have an option to have this behavior without the mouse scrubbing function enabled.
Here's an example of why this would be extremely useful: Let's say I create a piano piece or write a five voice arrangement using a piano or some string sound, using the piano clef. This incudes use of Chord mode. Or I want to edit a piano improvisation and make it into a more finished arrangement/composition. In order to do that, I navigate left/right with the arrow keys, and all is well until I select the first note I want to transpose. AFAIK I can't do that when Scrub is enabled, so I click Escape to leave that mode. Now I can use the transpose commands to experiment a little and make it sound right – an action I'll do A LOT when writing or editing music.
Since Scrub mode isn't active anymore due to the edit I made, I have to manually enable it to check out the following notes bar with the Right and Left arrows. As soon as I use the transpose key command, Dorico leaves Scrub mode, and this will keep happening for every note I want to check out with the left and right arrows. Realistically, this is something I'd want to do multiple times for pretty much every bar.
I know the Scrub thing is new in 5.10, and maybe 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected' is new as well, but with some small adjustments, all this could work really, really well together. OTOH: maybe all this (as in moving left/right and making edits as I go through the piece) is already working well, and it's just me who is doing it wrong!
By the way, when I scrub left and reach, say, the first 1/8 note in that Flow, that note keeps ringing for a very long time – I only need to hear it as a very short note.
EDIT: If the current workflow is useful for some/many users, maybe the simplest solution to all this is to add two new key commands: "Select Left and play all notes in a chord when any is selected" + the same command but with right instead of left.
This would let use the left/right arrows to move left/right in the piece, but without any other scrubbing than what happens when using the left and right arrows. This would solve two problems– the first one being that there will no surprising disabling of the scrub mode. Also, those of us who want to navigate left/right only with key commands could do that without any scrubbing happening whenever we move the mouse.
ETA: when in Scrub mode, clicking one note does nothing, it seems. If this would change into a behavior which would allow us to grab and move a note up, down, left or right when both 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected' and Scrub mode was enabled, that would also be a step in the right direction.
It would also be great if Dorico could show the assigned key command when holding the mouse
over an icon.
Since 5.10 'Select Right' and 'Scrub Right' both use → (arrow right), which makes sense. If 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected' is enabled, we'll get key command based 'scrub', which is brilliant. I have tried it in 5.10 and it works, including the thing about all the notes on all tracks being played using this kind of scrub or 'select right/left'.
There are a few things which I don't quite understand yet. The first is that quite often.
As far as I can tell so far, I never want Dorico to leave that mode unless I manually deactivate Scrub Playback, but disabling Scrub happens quite often, eg. if I start to edit a note – which I do: after all. the need for editing is why I use this function, and I guess this is true for most users.
I mainly think of the key command based scrub function (when used along with 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected') as a different navigate left/navigate right behavior; a different mode for how 'Select right' and 'Select Left" behaves. This is very close to how Sibelius works, and a big thing for me, so big that I'd prefer to also have an option to have this behavior without the mouse scrubbing function enabled.
Here's an example of why this would be extremely useful: Let's say I create a piano piece or write a five voice arrangement using a piano or some string sound, using the piano clef. This incudes use of Chord mode. Or I want to edit a piano improvisation and make it into a more finished arrangement/composition. In order to do that, I navigate left/right with the arrow keys, and all is well until I select the first note I want to transpose. AFAIK I can't do that when Scrub is enabled, so I click Escape to leave that mode. Now I can use the transpose commands to experiment a little and make it sound right – an action I'll do A LOT when writing or editing music.
Since Scrub mode isn't active anymore due to the edit I made, I have to manually enable it to check out the following notes bar with the Right and Left arrows. As soon as I use the transpose key command, Dorico leaves Scrub mode, and this will keep happening for every note I want to check out with the left and right arrows. Realistically, this is something I'd want to do multiple times for pretty much every bar.
I know the Scrub thing is new in 5.10, and maybe 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected' is new as well, but with some small adjustments, all this could work really, really well together. OTOH: maybe all this (as in moving left/right and making edits as I go through the piece) is already working well, and it's just me who is doing it wrong!
By the way, when I scrub left and reach, say, the first 1/8 note in that Flow, that note keeps ringing for a very long time – I only need to hear it as a very short note.
EDIT: If the current workflow is useful for some/many users, maybe the simplest solution to all this is to add two new key commands: "Select Left and play all notes in a chord when any is selected" + the same command but with right instead of left.
This would let use the left/right arrows to move left/right in the piece, but without any other scrubbing than what happens when using the left and right arrows. This would solve two problems– the first one being that there will no surprising disabling of the scrub mode. Also, those of us who want to navigate left/right only with key commands could do that without any scrubbing happening whenever we move the mouse.
ETA: when in Scrub mode, clicking one note does nothing, it seems. If this would change into a behavior which would allow us to grab and move a note up, down, left or right when both 'Play all notes in a chord when any is selected' and Scrub mode was enabled, that would also be a step in the right direction.
It would also be great if Dorico could show the assigned key command when holding the mouse
over an icon.
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TheHansen01
New Member
Vik
Vi-k
Nothing happens on my Mac if I use Ctrl + Spacebar. I checked again, and realized now that there was a command in the key command window called Toggle Scrub Playback – I didn't see it at first because I unfortunately had to open a 'category' (Play) to see it. It would IMO be better if Dorico showed this...
...instead of this:
Since nothing was assigned to Toggle Scrub Playback here, I have now assigned it to Ctrl + Spacebar. Maybe a user error on my side, I may have deleted that assignment by a mistake.
How does one, in Dorico (if there is such functionality), find out which function that is assigned to eg. Ctrl + Spacebar?
Also, is there a way to reset only one key command in Dorico?
Woodie1972
Active Member
I saw it on Facebook, but didn't see it mentioned here.
Al Maurice
Active Member
Last update I've come across was 5.0.20 around 5 of July:
Dorico 5.0.20 update for macOS, Windows and iPadOS now available – Dorico
We are pleased to release a second maintenance release for Dorico 5 across all supported platforms. This update is focused on fixing the problems experienced by some of our early adopters, though as always we have squeezed in a few useful improvements along the way. Groove Agent Jazz Essentials...
blog.dorico.com
Gagarin Moore
(formerly Page Lyn Turner)
Hi, just a quick question, I tried to update from Dorico 4 to 5, but cannot login to steinberg.net (shop is fine) in order to download it. It happens every time I try to buy something from Steinberg. So, can I create a new steinberg id and download an already purchased software? I've been emailed the codes and stuff, thanks!
mducharme
Senior Member
What do you mean you "cannot login"? Does it say the password is wrong? Have you tried the "Forgot password" link?
Gagarin Moore
(formerly Page Lyn Turner)
Thanks, I tried 'Forgot password" but unable to login so far.
mducharme
Senior Member
Do you not get the email from the Steinberg site when you use Forgot password?
Gagarin Moore
(formerly Page Lyn Turner)
Today, thankfully it worked. D5 feels snappier, time to explore the new stuff.
muziksculp
Senior Member
Hi,
I was wondering if one can use Dorico 5 as a normal DAW at this time, given it offers many of the midi editing tools in the key-editor as do other DAWs, like Cubase, Logic, S1, ..etc.
But also being able to view a full orchestration in notation format, and be able to edit/input notes using either method, notation/midi key-editor. has a lot of value from a functionality, and visibility-format perspective.
So, I'm Just curious to hear about this detail. I know that Steinberg is moving in a direction that brings both methodologies of composing closer to each other, and integrate them into one Application, Dorico.
Thanks,
Muziksculp
I was wondering if one can use Dorico 5 as a normal DAW at this time, given it offers many of the midi editing tools in the key-editor as do other DAWs, like Cubase, Logic, S1, ..etc.
But also being able to view a full orchestration in notation format, and be able to edit/input notes using either method, notation/midi key-editor. has a lot of value from a functionality, and visibility-format perspective.
So, I'm Just curious to hear about this detail. I know that Steinberg is moving in a direction that brings both methodologies of composing closer to each other, and integrate them into one Application, Dorico.
Thanks,
Muziksculp
Wensleydale
Active Member
I think the simple answer is yes, though setting it up is a bit of a chore. I certainly hope so, because I've spent a lot of time trying! Ed Buller is the guru on this. See, for example, https://vi-control.net/community/threads/dorico-playback-samples-vs-noteperformer.120156/
P.S. Welcome back!
ed buller
Senior Member
VSTHero
Senior Member
The score editor is great (of course) and you can access CC, velocity, and piano roll even from there. I don't think the CC drawing tools are as helpful as the ones in say Logic X (miss the curve tool). Ed have you found a way to snap to grid for the CC's and easily zoom in and out (I do think there's a key command for zoom, but I'm so used to how other programs let you simply pinch the track pad).
In exchange of course you get amazing score key commands
Also happy returns
In exchange of course you get amazing score key commands
Also happy returns
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ed buller
Senior Member
VSTHero
Senior Member
Of course, forgot you’ve balanced all you’re libraries - I haven’t gotten that far along - just completed all the articulation maps and legato delay and left it at that for now as I don’t really have enough experience/knowledge yet regarding balance and dynamic markings across sections
Ivan Duch
Senior Member
Glad to see you back around here!
I think it's highly dependent on the type of music you write. For orchestral music, I'd say yes. And I think it's a better tool for that than a DAW if you like to write with notation.
That said, you'll need VEP to handle the VST hosting and handle mixing a bit better. (although it might be argued that if you use Noteperformer for the core of your samples and load just a few instruments into Dorico you should be fine) Noteperformer 4 reduces the amount of work you have to do as well since it plays your own samples (those available). And there's nothing like Noteperformer 4 for DAWs, it's a huge time saver.
My current workflow usually consists of sketching some ideas on paper, orchestrating and developing on Dorico with Noteperformer 4, and then I start adding some extra instruments hosted on VEP for those lines that aren't working well with Noteperformer. I add tempo changes for handling expression a bit better as well.
Finally, I export stems from Dorico to Reaper and also the midi (many times just for the tempo map) and do the final mixing in Reaper and might add synths or some extra production elements in there.
There are some stuff Dorico can't do like working with audio (that's a big thing if you record stuff for your productions, I tend to) and it can't freeze tracks. But as a composition tool for getting you 90% of the way I'd say it's amazing. I also find recording live instruments on a DAW to be more straightforward and easier to edit than in Dorico.
It might sound like switching between paper, Dorico, and Reaper could be very time-consuming, but I find that when I work directly on a DAW I get lost way more often with my writing. I write very fast on Dorico.
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