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NotePerformer 4 Expectations or Wishes

So far my go-to NPPE orchestral template setup is:

--Strings: I use CSS--that alone is a big boost from the default NP strings. CSS lacks bite in aggressive passages, but just doubling the violin/viola/cello parts with solo strings (CSSS) in the score works quite well IMO. For someone new to NPPE, I think the best first purchase would be CSS.
--Winds: I mix up NP (esp clarinet) with some CSW, depending on the project. I wish I could use Spitfire more, but they are often doubled instruments (earlier in this thread Arne explains why). In general, too, the wet Spitfire sound is hard to mix with other libraries in NPPE.
--Brass: I almost exclusively stick with NP. Seems crazy but I still think it's the most realistic sound--just listen to the Star Wars rendering in the NPPE demos!
--Percussion/Harp/etc: I pull from lots of different libraries, including Spitfire Perc, which is very strong. One of the great things about NPPE is the ability to switch out libraries, so playing around with these is like mixing.

Here's an example of that setup (based on a mix export from Dorico)


@driscollmusick if you don’t mind me asking another question:

How do you handle NP reverb when blending NP built in sounds with NPPEs with baked in room reverb (like css)? Do you vary the amount of reverb sends per instrument?
 
Hi, has anyone noticed the 8 tremelos does not work in the latest Noteperformer 4.4 update, this is with the built in library strings and timpani, all other instruments appear to be ok
3 slashes tremelo.
 
Hi, has anyone noticed the 8 tremelos does not work in the latest Noteperformer 4.4 update, this is with the built in library strings and timpani, all other instruments appear to be ok
3 slashes tremelo.
I was going to prepare an example but I have noticed tremolos on strings is kind of hot or miss. I wasn’t sure if it’s across the board or with certain libraries though. I use three slashes for unmeasured tremolo but it seems to measure it out
 
For those that use CSS via NPPE, does it select between all available legato speeds seamlessly?
Arne would have to give us the specifics but I haven’t noticed any issues with legatos at different tempos and note values. I don’t know though whether NP uses the low latency legato or the more sophisticated one.
 
Arne would have to give us the specifics but I haven’t noticed any issues with legatos at different tempos and note values. I don’t know though whether NP uses the low latency legato or the more sophisticated one.
I guess the question would be how good the legatos sound when the tempo allows for expressive playing?
 
@driscollmusick if you don’t mind me asking another question:

How do you handle NP reverb when blending NP built in sounds with NPPEs with baked in room reverb (like css)? Do you vary the amount of reverb sends per instrument?
No, I bypass the reverb in NPPE (which doesn't seem to impact the NP built-in sounds). For this one, I then added a reverb on top of the full mix.

I was going to prepare an example but I have noticed tremolos on strings is kind of hot or miss. I wasn’t sure if it’s across the board or with certain libraries though. I use three slashes for unmeasured tremolo but it seems to measure it out
Did you try adjusting the unmeasured tremolo settings per the NP manual?
 
Hi, has anyone noticed the 8 tremelos does not work in the latest Noteperformer 4.4 update, this is with the built in library strings and timpani, all other instruments appear to be ok
3 slashes tremelo.
Hi, I have a problem with the xylophone and single slashed tremolo (measured tremolo), but only with certain pitches ! I may prepare an extract/example/evidence but I suspect this problem comes from Dorico in my case.
No, actually, I just checked with MidiMonitor and Dorico's output is fine.

The problem is that the faulty notes are hit too many times compared to the single slashing.
Is it the same problem for you ?

I've also 2 other problems to report but haven't checked if they were already present in NP 3.3.

@Arne, if you are reading this, do you prefer I submit the evidences (e.g. dorico file /score + audio render) here on this forum or on your support contact page ?
 
I was going to prepare an example but I have noticed tremolos on strings is kind of hot or miss. I wasn’t sure if it’s across the board or with certain libraries though. I use three slashes for unmeasured tremolo but it seems to measure it out
NotePerformer identifies tremolo by MIDI note repetition speed. As long as Dorico repeats the note sufficiently fast, it should work. Do you experience the same problem with a new score?
 
Hi, I have a problem with the xylophone and single slashed tremolo (measured tremolo), but only with certain pitches ! I may prepare an extract/example/evidence but I suspect this problem comes from Dorico in my case.
No, actually, I just checked with MidiMonitor and Dorico's output is fine.

The problem is that the faulty notes are hit too many times compared to the single slashing.
Is it the same problem for you ?

I've also 2 other problems to report but haven't checked if they were already present in NP 3.3.

@Arne, if you are reading this, do you prefer I submit the evidences (e.g. dorico file /score + audio render) here on this forum or on your support contact page ?
It's always better to contact support since Alexander is the first responder and works full-time with support. I spend most of my time with development.

Generally, tremolo is managed by the notation program. If note repetition is sufficiently fast, NotePerformer will interpret it as tremolo. In the case of standard NP, we may limit the repetition speed to a reasonable speed. With NPPE, we may trigger a special tremolo sample.

Single-slashed tremolo would typically be converted into a series of notes for NotePerformer to play. We're not involved in that conversion process. They look like any other notes from our perspective.
 
NotePerformer identifies tremolo by MIDI note repetition speed. As long as Dorico repeats the note sufficiently fast, it should work. Do you experience the same problem with a new score?
@driscollmusick clued me in to the setting I needed to adjust. It is better though I'm not sure why Dorico doesn't have a 'Use Sampled Tremolo when Possible' button like they do with trills.
 
For those that use CSS via NPPE, does it select between all available legato speeds seamlessly?
From memory, we've selected the longest legato our engine could tolerate. The choice of legato could vary between instruments.

Early versions attempted to select legato CSS speeds adaptively. It turned out too complicated for prediction since the timing is affected by both performance speed and velocity.
 
@driscollmusick clued me in to the setting I needed to adjust. It is better though I'm not sure why Dorico doesn't have a 'Use Sampled Tremolo when Possible' button like they do with trills.
For the record, the "Use sampled..." feature never works with NP or NPPE since we don't use key switches to detect trills or tremolo. This is how NPPE can trigger natural trills even if you explicitly write the notes rather than a symbol.
 
For the record, the "Use sampled..." feature never works with NP or NPPE since we don't use key switches to detect trills or tremolo. This is how NPPE can trigger natural trills even if you explicitly write the notes rather than a symbol.
aah ok good to know. I might have actually known that but forgot.
 
From memory, we've selected the longest legato our engine could tolerate. The choice of legato could vary between instruments.

Early versions attempted to select legato CSS speeds adaptively. It turned out too complicated for prediction since the timing is affected by both performance speed and velocity.
Thanks for the response. Bummer that it’s not supported, would be a great feature. But understand that it’s complicated.
 
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It's always better to contact support since Alexander is the first responder and works full-time with support. I spend most of my time with development.
Ok, I will. hope it will be convenient to attach files.
Generally, tremolo is managed by the notation program. If note repetition is sufficiently fast, NotePerformer will interpret it as tremolo. In the case of standard NP, we may limit the repetition speed to a reasonable speed. With NPPE, we may trigger a special tremolo sample.

Single-slashed tremolo would typically be converted into a series of notes for NotePerformer to play. We're not involved in that conversion process. They look like any other notes from our perspective.
Thanks for the clarification. This is how I thought NopePerformer would behave and that's why I had suspected Dorico to be at the origin of the problem.
I second checked this and indeed, it's a Dorico bug : as soon as the tempo is varying, even slightly, the single dashed tremolo is not respected anymore, I get 4 note hits instead of 2 as heard and as confirmed by MidiMonitor.
Sorry for having unduly blamed NotePerformer ! (which I like so much, just want it to be even better ! and the same for Dorico)
 
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