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Great discussion! I agree with the original post. The only addition I would make is secondary dominants. And if I would remove something, it would be counterpoint. That seems to me to be a time intensive effort that has the least usage in modern music. Before you start throwing tomatoes at me for saying that, I do thing it’s a wonderful exercise and practice if you have the time for it. But it’s the topic with the least return on investment.

If I could mention one book that has helped me break out from getting stuck in four chord diatonic harmony is Structural Functions of Harmony by Schoenberg. It's short on words but heavy on concepts. It’s definitely not the first book to read for music theory. But the main idea is to move smoothly through different keys, to be able to modulate effortlessly and to be aware of the different tonal colors you’re introducing.
 
Great discussion! I agree with the original post. The only addition I would make is secondary dominants. And if I would remove something, it would be counterpoint. That seems to me to be a time intensive effort that has the least usage in modern music. Before you start throwing tomatoes at me for saying that, I do thing it’s a wonderful exercise and practice if you have the time for it. But it’s the topic with the least return on investment.

If I could mention one book that has helped me break out from getting stuck in four chord diatonic harmony is Structural Functions of Harmony by Schoenberg. It's short on words but heavy on concepts. It’s definitely not the first book to read for music theory. But the main idea is to move smoothly through different keys, to be able to modulate effortlessly and to be aware of the different tonal colors you’re introducing.

If I may, I don't agree about counterpoint, or better. I agree when you say it has the least usage in modern music if you mean contemporary film or pop music writing/producing.
The lack of good part writing is audible in a composer's piece and I think it has a bad effect on the quality of music.
I believe it is still the best way to develop an ear for melody, harmony and formal direction, even in an apparently strictly harmoni
c environment. All the classic and "modern classic" film composers do that, unconsciously, I bet.

Another vote for Structural Functions, great suggestion.
 
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I'm wondering if anybody knows about a decent phone app like Duolingo for training during downtime? I'm considering using a flash-card app in order to train scales like dr. Evil suggested.
 
Great discussion! I agree with the original post. The only addition I would make is secondary dominants. And if I would remove something, it would be counterpoint. That seems to me to be a time intensive effort that has the least usage in modern music. Before you start throwing tomatoes at me for saying that, I do thing it’s a wonderful exercise and practice if you have the time for it. But it’s the topic with the least return on investment.
I'm actually currently working through a textbook called Music Theory and Composition by Stephen Stone, where the author puts counterpoint at the heart of everything, from the ground up. He points out that counterpoint has recently made a return in higher academic music theory circles within the past decade, and for the better. This isn't my first music theory education, but I have to say in a short time with counterpoint my compositional and voice leading skills have absolutely exploded. I don't even think it's as "out of date" as people think. It really teaches you to understand intervallic relationships and melodic movement, rather than simply stacking all voices together and hoping for the best (or not knowing how to fix it when something sounds 'off'). (I wouldn't say it's the only way to learn good harmony and voice leading, but that I've found it to be surprisingly effective and a valid approach!)

You can apply this just as well to a classical or film score as you can to a modern pop song, if you wanted to (for example there's no reason you couldn't use the principles of good counterpoint to make a funky bassline complement and contrast the melody, or smooth out synth pad chords so they don't sound generically blocky). I realize that modern pop music songwriters don't think about writing counterpoint, but in many ways, especially singers, they kind of are without realizing it - for example with harmonic background vocals and 'ad libs' which offer secondary melodies layered in. I mean even listening to any song by the Beatles, there's a lot of perhaps unintentional yet Bach-approved counterpoint going on there.

From the author's preface:

"Although my goal was to improve my composition, I was struck by something else: in doing species counterpoint exercises, the rules of harmony and voice leading now made sense. Topics such as the role of perfect consonances or the instability of second-inversion chords now had a context and reason. What had been missing in my earlier studies was the 'why.' Counterpoint provided it. [...] As one of my students said, "Once you master counterpoint, the harmony pops right out!"
For me I agree, counterpoint has been providing context for a lot of these 'rules' and I've been having a lot of a-ha moments. Interestingly the book has a huge section (over a hundred pages) on how counterpoint applies to modern and pop music. It's toward the end of this 600 page tome so I haven't gotten there yet, but I'm excited because from just learning basic counterpoint my skills are growing so much, and I look forward to applying these concepts to modern writing!
 
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Great discussion! I agree with the original post. The only addition I would make is secondary dominants. And if I would remove something, it would be counterpoint. That seems to me to be a time intensive effort that has the least usage in modern music. Before you start throwing tomatoes at me for saying that, I do thing it’s a wonderful exercise and practice if you have the time for it. But it’s the topic with the least return on investment.
That last sentence, whoa… gotta respectfully disagree.

In my opinion counterpoint is a fundamental pillar of composition. It opens up your harmony and takes you places you likely would never go.

I see all these posts from people asking how to break out of a 4-chord rut. Put your vertical writing aside and focus on horizontal lines.

Counterpoint is king baby!
 
That last sentence, whoa… gotta respectfully disagree.

In my opinion counterpoint is a fundamental pillar of composition. It opens up your harmony and takes you places you likely would never go.

I see all these posts from people asking how to break out of a 4-chord rut. Put your vertical writing aside and focus on horizontal lines.

Counterpoint is king baby!

Well said. A whole lotta people make weird comments about counterpoint out of ignorance of what it actually is and does. A prime example would be where I once heard someone say that "Counterpoint is only for writing baroque music". Where to begin? The other fallacy is where a film scoring fanboy will say, "Well my most favoritest film composer of all time in history doesn't do counterpoint, so there." Such top shelf standards people make for themselves!

Some of your best harmony will come from counterpoint, if you know how to do it. Counterpoint was making harmony long before chord grammar and homophonic texture even existed.

Confused people should ask John Williams what he thinks of counterpoint.
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I see all these posts from people asking how to break out of a 4-chord rut. Put your vertical writing aside and focus on horizontal lines.
If I'm any kind of success story, I've totally broken out of "chord-progression-itis" and the mentality around looping chords, where the effect tends to be rather blocky (which is fine if that's what you want in a particular context). Counterpoint has taught me to think about the progression of music as a whole, rather than thinking about a chord progression which is then repeated with a melody on top. It's crazy how much more interesting my chord choices and voicings have become - even if I have a repetition of triads, counterpoint shows me to find creative ways to voice them every time around as well as discover interesting chromatic passing chords I normally wouldn't have even considered when I was stuck in 'vertical mode.' I don't even really think about "chords" in the foreground sense anymore, I think more about voices and intervals, while just keeping tabs on the chords which happen to result through voice leading. I suppose that was the 'old' approach but it actually makes a lot of practical sense in modern writing too (of course it helps that I know how triads are made from a 'chord' perspective, too).
 
As someone who has forgotten most of the harmony he ever learned, and never learned counterpoint at all, I very much like the idea that it might actually be useful to study counterpoint before brushing up my harmony. And I note that some eminent authorities have recommended bringing in counterpoint at a very early stage.

Sir Charles Stanford wrote in Musical Composition (1911):

"The first principle to be laid down is to study counterpoint first, and through counterpoint to master harmony. [Stanford's emphasis] It is not necessary to remind a student of musical history that this was the process by which were trained all the great masters from Palestrina down to Wagner and Brahms...
The second principle is that the study of counterpoint, if it is to be of real value, must be strict...
What is strict counterpoint? The best way of finding an answer to that highly important question is to investigate history and see what kind of strict counterpoint was the main study of the great masters of the past, whose works have best withstood the inroads of time. Let us take for our inquiry such names as Palestrina, Purcell, Bach, Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner and Brahms. Every one of these masters was brought up upon what is called modal counterpoint [my emphasis], at once the most interesting and the most severe form of the study."

Stanford did not write a textbook; but in Counterpoint and Harmony (1937) Edward Bairstow, Master of Music at York Minster, expressly adopted this approach. Actually Bairstow says that Stanford had recommended studying counterpoint and harmony simultaneously, which isn't quite what he had said (at any rate in his book) and isn't quite what Bairstow offers. Part I is entitled "Strict Counterpoint and Contrapuntal Harmony", but the only harmony to be found in it is that of the 16th century. Even the modes are not dealt with until Section XI (page 184!), which comes after 4th species (though not 3rd), 4-part writing and suspensions. At the start of that section he remarks that "a knowledge of the modal harmony of the polyphonic period elucidates much in modern harmony and counterpoint that would otherwise be inexplicable."

I have hesitated to embark on the study of this book because other, equally eminent authorities have argued (a) that it is impossible to learn counterpoint at all without a good command of harmony, and/or (b) that if you are going to learn counterpoint you should start with the 18th century kind.

R. O. Morris, a professor at the Royal College of Music, took the latter view (at least) in his Introduction to Counterpoint (1944):

"Sixteenth-century music, with all its beauty, is apt to sound remote and strange to the beginner when he first makes its acquaintance. Its rhythm and its modality perplex him, while its harmony seems artificially restrained and austere until he has acquired the experience and understanding necessary for its appreciation. The other school, representing the contrapuntal practice not only of Bach and Handel, but also of the great Viennese composers from Haydn to Brahms, strikes a familiar note at once and brings him into immediate contact with a type of music that he already knows and loves."

But this assumes that the beginner will not already know and love the music of the 16th century, an assumption perhaps less well founded today than it was in 1944. I have known and loved Palestrina for over 50 years; I don't understand it, but then I don't really understand Bach either.

As ever, I'd be interested to hear where our experts stand in this debate.
 
that it is impossible to learn counterpoint at all without a good command of harmony,
I am not an expert so I will let others chime in on the rest, however in response to this one I would say it helps to have a basic command of harmony in terms of understanding what intervals tend to group together to form triads and 7th chords. I think it makes it easier to immediately spot what harmonies will be most consonant or dissonant. But I don't think it's a prerequisite, since counterpoint in many ways is a teaching tool for harmony.

As for the other comparisons between 16th to 18th century approaches to counterpoint, the latter seeming more familiar, I believe it simply comes down to modal vs tonal harmony. Later composers preferred a tonal harmony approach because leading and tendency tones that create functionality and movement which is still used today down to modern pop music, whereas modal harmony definitely feels a bit remote and strange. As I understand it middle period and Baroque composers like Bach, Handel, Vivaldi etc kind of straddled the line between these two harmonic approaches.

I'm still learning all this stuff but counterpoint has only helped enrich my understanding of harmony. The book I'm reading doesn't even really begin to touch on the idea of chords and triad function until almost 200 pages in after completing lots of 4-voice exercises not thinking about chords, which is really making me look at harmony with a fresh perspective.
 
Very interesting! I’m sorry if I gave any kind of indication that I’m not all for learning and developing counterpoint if you got the time for it. I truly understand that all these compositional topics will interrelate and support one another.

But from my own hobbyist, self taught composer experience with limited time, with a day job, etc. I’m trying to practice harmony, composition, orchestration, mixing, improvisation, ear training, etc when I can to it. And I think that a lot of us here are in a similar boat, right? I would love to understand counter point better, I know it would enrich my musical vocabulary, but I have to put my time in to where I can see maximal impact.

in the future I‘d like to work through some self guided lessons, but for now that’s not happening.
 
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