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ptram said:
I'll soon be forced to upgrade from Mojave to Monterey. Mojave has been the most stable Mac OS I ever experienced. Please, tell me that Monterey is as good!

Paolo
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Monterey's been totally solid for me. I skipped Big Sur and went from 10.15...

If you have a spare drive you might want to clone your boot drive, then upgrade the cloned drive and test for an afternoon. Whenever I need to jump more than one OS I always do this, (and tend to wait until the end of an OS cycle so the kinks are pretty much worked out...)

I haven't had any issues with Plugin Alliance in 12.6.5... In fact I've lost almost no plugins since moving from Mojave (3, maybe 4 in total? Reaktor 5 was one, but that didn't bother me since I had already switched to Reaktor 6). That said I did my homework and knew what wouldn't make the move... I've even had a few surprises like Ozone 5 and Alloy 2 which still work 10 in Monterey years later... Trash 2 as well, plus all Exponential Audio. Pretty much everything I rely on has been fine... But everyone's setup is different, so do consider making a bootable clone you can test.
 
ptram said:
I'll soon be forced to upgrade from Mojave to Monterey. Mojave has been the most stable Mac OS I ever experienced. Please, tell me that Monterey is as good!

Paolo
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People often talk about versions of macOS being more stable than others, but I haven't encountered any that aren't totally stable.

What happens instead is that new OS versions can break other software.

It's an important distinction, because it means you have to look at your software rather than the OS itself.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
People often talk about versions of macOS being more stable than others, but I haven't encountered any that aren't totally stable.
What happens instead is that new OS versions can break other software.
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Well, there have been OS version that have repaired issues I had in the previous version, without me touching anything. It happened with Mojave coming from High Sierra, with Sierra coming from to El Capitan, with Snow Leopard coming from Leopard. And it happened even with different versions of OS9.

I can't say I've been so lucky to have all Mac OS version behave so well with me. Mojave is one of these, probably the best in 35 years with the Macs.

Paolo
 
ptram said:
Mojave is one of these, probably the best in 35 years with the Macs.
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You have a stable system.

Sure Apple will fix bugs - hence version sub-releases - but I didn't find any of the other OSes you mention any less stable than Mojave, with the caveat that I only used High Sierra long enough to get a firmware update and move to Mojave.

I too have been working on Macs all day long for 3-1/2 decades, and my systems have all been stable for as long as I can remember. That includes all the cats, Mojave (the last one my 5,1 Mac Pro would take), then Monterey and now Ventura on the new machine.

Again, new OSes do often break software, but that's a different thing.

What I will say is that Apple seems to have improved the way the Mac Studio scans its ports when it wakes from sleep in the last couple of Ventura .versions, because my Metric Halo audio interface and Cyberpower UPS software don't lose connection anymore.

Also, open windows now wake up where I left them rather than being shrunken and moved to the lower left of the screen.
 
Computers are complicated. One person can have computer model "X" with the same software as another person using computer model "Y". One has problems, the other doesn't. The safest rule when using a computer for a dedicated task such as music is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Only upgrade when you absolutely have to.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
my Metric Halo audio interface and Cyberpower UPS software don't lose connection anymore.
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Actually that's changed. The Cyberpower UPS software (which connects by USB) hasn't been losing connection at all, but the MH (Ethernet connection) has been losing connection maybe once every three weeks.

Hardly a show-stopper, because all you have to do is unplug/re-plug it back in.

tmpc said:
"if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Only upgrade when you absolutely have to.
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Or if you want to keep up with security updates, if you want to use the new features, or for example if you just want to use the current versions of everything when you do software reviews (because your audience might be too), or or or.

It certainly makes sense to stick with a working system, especially when you can't afford downtime phaffing around, so it's not like your opinion is "wrong." But for me it's rarely that cut and dried.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
but the MH (Ethernet connection) has been losing connection maybe once every three weeks.

Hardly a show-stopper, because all you have to do is unplug/re-plug it back in.
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I've been having a similar issue. Randomly my ethernet connection disappears and I have to unplug/re-plug the TB dock. Happens maybe once or twice a week. Restarting the MBP also fixes it.

From the network LEDs on the dock itself I can see the network is still working, but it's not reaching my MBP so it switches to Wifi.

I'm not sure if it's an issue with the dock or Ventura. I think it's the OS since everything else in the dock has been rock solid.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
Or if you want to keep up with security updates, if you want to use the new features, or for example if you just want to use the current versions of everything when you do software reviews (because your audience might be too), or or or.

It certainly makes sense to stick with a working system, especially when you can't afford downtime phaffing around, so it's not like your opinion is "wrong." But for me it's rarely that cut and dried.
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"Absolutely have to" is an opinion. All of those things fall into that category. My point is that upgrading hardware or software can be full of hidden gotchas.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
People often talk about versions of macOS being more stable than others, but I haven't encountered any that aren't totally stable.
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Nick Batzdorf said:
What I will say is that Apple seems to have improved the way the Mac Studio scans its ports when it wakes from sleep in the last couple of Ventura .versions, because my Metric Halo audio interface and Cyberpower UPS software don't lose connection anymore.

Also, open windows now wake up where I left them rather than being shrunken and moved to the lower left of the screen.
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It seems that your second comment is at odds with your first.
 
Pier said:
I'm not sure if it's an issue with the dock or Ventura. I think it's the OS since everything else in the dock has been rock solid.
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My hunch is that it has to do with the order macOS scans ports when the machine starts up or wakes.

Possibly related: when I wake the machine in the morning, I get a "you need to dismount drives properly" admonition about a Time Machine drive connected to a powered USB hub, but never about my 4TB NVMe drive connected directly to a Thunderbolt/USB 4 port.

The Time Machine backups succeed anyway, and the drive still mounts, but it makes me think this is all part of the same issue.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
when I wake the machine in the morning, I get a "you need to dismount drives properly" admonition about a Time Machine drive connected to a powered USB hub
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Probably not enough power on your hub is causing the Time Machine Drive to dismount momentarily. I get this issue with spinning HDs when I have too many connected to a hub. Usually the dismount is prompted by search and all the drives spinning up at the same time. But every couple of days I’ll wake up to a set of these messages. (The drives have all automatically remounted.) I have taken to limiting the number of HDs on the same usb hub. I’m looking fir a hub that has a better power supply but haven’t yet found one.
 
jbuhler said:
Probably not enough power on your hub is causing the Time Machine Drive to dismount momentarily.
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Hm. That makes complete sense, although this hub has three charging ports, so you have to wonder.

But who knows, maybe it's *because* it has three charging ports that it doesn't have enough power.
 
Nick Batzdorf said:
Hm. That makes complete sense, although this hub has three charging ports, so you have to wonder.

But who knows, maybe it's *because* it has three charging ports that it doesn't have enough power.
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Yeah, mine has three charging ports, too, but if I have more than two spinning hub powered HDs attached, I will get dismounts whenever I search, and occasional problems in other situations. My theory is that the spin start up draws a lot of power, so three or four of those happening at the same moment is just too much for the power supply. I have a dock that feeds, among other things, five USB3 ports and a USB-C port and it has no issues at all. So I assume that has a much better power supply.
 
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