andyhy
Active Member
Did you manage to get TouchOSC to control BBCSO in Reaper?
Spitfire BBCSO control surface for DAWS using TouchOSC on IOS and Android devices
- Thread starter Graham Wayne
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Markrs
Complete Beginner
Nope, I gave up, and in the future I will look at using Open Stage Control as that doesn't rely on an app, just a web browser, plus it is a lot more powerful.
andyhy
Active Member
Thanks for the update. I'll give TouchOSC a miss in that case. I'll be interested to hear how you get on with Open Stage Control. I need to spend more time writing but I have a weakness for exploring these solutions in case they improve on using the midi control knobs and sliders on my old Fantom G8 synth.
Markrs
Complete Beginner
Will do, though might be worth exploring this thread:
Open Stage Control (Tutorial) - An alternative to Lemur and TouchOSC
Hi everyone! I've been using Open Stage Control for almost two years now (jeez, time flies). This application really improved my workflow as a composer. It’s an alternative to Lemur/TouchOSC. This is a free software developed by Jean-Emmanuel, available on Windows, OSX, Linux. It's quite a long...
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It is quite a bit of a rabbit hole, which is why I'm not exploring it just yet, but it is crazy what Open Stage Control can do.
andyhy
Active Member
Sounds promising. Keep us posted.Will do, though might be worth exploring this thread:
Open Stage Control (Tutorial) - An alternative to Lemur and TouchOSC
Hi everyone! I've been using Open Stage Control for almost two years now (jeez, time flies). This application really improved my workflow as a composer. It’s an alternative to Lemur/TouchOSC. This is a free software developed by Jean-Emmanuel, available on Windows, OSX, Linux. It's quite a long...
It is quite a bit of a rabbit hole, which is why I'm not exploring it just yet, but it is crazy what Open Stage Control can do.
andyhy
Active Member
Not related to this thread but glad I spotted your SA Spring Sale comment about SSS. I hadn't planned to spend anything but the glitch or early access offer price or whatever it was on SSS Core was impossible to resist so I caved and put it in the cart as quick as I could before it disappeared. Even received that $20 voucher from Spitfire! So thank you Markrs and the VI Control forum.Will do, though might be worth exploring this thread:
Open Stage Control (Tutorial) - An alternative to Lemur and TouchOSC
Hi everyone! I've been using Open Stage Control for almost two years now (jeez, time flies). This application really improved my workflow as a composer. It’s an alternative to Lemur/TouchOSC. This is a free software developed by Jean-Emmanuel, available on Windows, OSX, Linux. It's quite a long...
It is quite a bit of a rabbit hole, which is why I'm not exploring it just yet, but it is crazy what Open Stage Control can do.
I tested the template I posted and it seems to work in reaper with Kontakt and Spitfire Epic strings. The setup I used was:
Start TouchOSC Bridge
Connect IPAD to computer by USB
Run OSC template on iPAD
then in
Reaper Preferences>midi devices>TouchOSC Bridge>enabled + control
then in track header:
1. Arm record
2. FX: VST3i Spitfire Originals Epic Strings (also tested Kontakt Albion)
3. IN FX: MIDI all channels
I did this as a test of concept and did not do thoroughly testing, but it seems that (a) midi notes and (b) CC controls and (c) articulations are all working.
At this point I have not tested BBCSO because it is a pain to activate in a new DAW (I am using a MACBOOK AIR M1 Apple silicon)
David
I have now also tested BBCSO (AU Version) with the spitfire app running Reaper in ARM mode (Apple M1 Native) using touchOSC on my iPhone and it seems to work fine.
andyhy
Active Member
That sounds very promising thanks.
ElCampesino
New Member
@Graham Wayne , thanks for the work you put in this template. I made one myself for East West Symphonic Orchestra a while ago, so I know it can be quite a hassle. 
Haven't really put yours through any thourough work yet, but everything I did try worked out of the box. I got it up and running in reaper in no time at all. So thanks!
Haven't really put yours through any thourough work yet, but everything I did try worked out of the box. I got it up and running in reaper in no time at all. So thanks!
Hello, I'm just becoming aware of this thread and have a couple of questions:
- will this work with MOTU DP and BBCSO?
- in the iOS app, can you program one button to trigger two articulations at the same time (both articulations working in combination) ?
Thanks! (I'm a current StreamPad user for DAW and notation control, and am curious as to TouchOCS and it's possibilities)
- will this work with MOTU DP and BBCSO?
- in the iOS app, can you program one button to trigger two articulations at the same time (both articulations working in combination) ?
Thanks! (I'm a current StreamPad user for DAW and notation control, and am curious as to TouchOCS and it's possibilities)
nibor
New Member
This is incredible! Such a lot of work! THANKS!!!!UPDATE: NEW VERSION NOW AVAILABLE WHICH SUPPORTS BBCSO V1.20 TECHNIQUES (MUTED BRASS) - SEE THIS POST BELOW FOR DETAILS, DOWNLOAD LINKS AND INSTRUCTIONS ON USAGE
I recently invested in Spitfire’s BBCSO, and while it’s great to use, the interface isn't always as good to use as it is to look at. Some things – like tiny icons – I can’t do anything about, but I have addressed a few really common issues in a way that perhaps others might also find useful: the selection of articulations, and the real-time input of controller data - without having to have the VSTi interface open.
My solution is a simple set of pages hosted by TouchOSC (£5 to buy if you don’t have it) – it’s nothing fancy, just straightforward and self-explanatory, and should work in most DAWs including Cubase and Logic (the latter is untested as I don't have it), or directly with the BBCSO plugin if you have another way of running it e.g. the excellent Vienna Ensemble Pro, which I use on a slave PC with the entire orchestra loaded.
This interface doesn’t use OSC messages because the BBCSO plug-in doesn’t support them, so it’s purely a one-way MIDI system with no realtime visual feedback, but it makes it easy to change articulations on the fly, input performance data (expression, dynamics, vibrato, reverb etc), and modify the balances between all 20 (!) mics.
Here's what it looks like:
String section articulations - tabs for each section appear across the top of the screen
All the controllers are mapped - on this screen and the microphone tabs
And this X-Y pad makes performance quite tactile with the X-axis for expression and Y-axis for dynamics
...and a shocking number of microphones can be controlled here, assuming you have enough RAM.
Regarding cross-compatibility; I wrote this for my iPad, but I think it should work on Android devices too. However, as I don’t have one I can’t test it - do let me know if there are any problems on Android devices and I'll see if I can borrow one to find out why.
In use, selecting articulations is easier since all of them are available on one screen per section. Performance input can use either faders and rotary controllers, or the X-Y pad (x-axis is expression, y-axis is dynamics). All of the inputs can be recorded as automation data. The articulations are also consistent with the Cubase Expression Maps, part of the https://www.spitfireaudiothepage.com/posts/cubase-template-01 (Cubase BBCSO templates available on the Spitfire site), although you don’t need to use them with this TouchOSC control surface.
Some things to be aware of: TouchOSC will work wirelessly if set up that way, and this works fine for articulation changes and most control data inputs, but when I used multi-touch with the faders (e.g. expression and dynamics together) or the X-Y pad, the data stream suffered unworkable latency – a few packets from one fader/axis gets sent, followed by updates to the other fader/axis. This does not occur if you plug the tablet into the computer running your DAW via USB – the setup page in TouchOSC shows which connection is being used. (This problem might also be an artifact of my rather old iPad mini - perhaps newer devices are more sensitive or handle wireless connections more efficiently).
You will also need to install the free TouchOSC editor to transfer the template into the app on your tablet, and the equally free TouchOSC bridge (actually the Bome Midi Translator) to create midi ports for the PC (although you don't need to bridge on Mac hosts as the midi interface is built in to the OS). To get Cubase to ‘see’ the input, first run the TouchOSC bridge (which runs in the background), load Cubase, create a new Generic Remote in the Studio Setup and assign the TouchOSC Bridge midi ports as the input and output. I'm sorry I can't offer any guidance on setting up TouchOSC on Logic as I don't have a copy (or a Mac to run it on).
Finally, I should mention that I’ve referred to tablets as being the input device, but you could use this template on any Apple laptop with a touch screen, and iPhones or Android phones too. I just think faders would be too small to be useful on a phone, although perhaps the articulation buttons would be manageable, as would the X-Y pad.
All the best,
Graham Wayne
The files:
Spitfire Audio BBCSO control surface for DAWS with C3 as middle C
Spitfire Audio BBCSO control surface for DAWS with C4 as middle C (as per Spitfire's keyswitches)
SEE POST BELOW FOR FURTHER DETAILS INCLUDING WHICH VERSION TO DOWNLOAD
Alex Fraser
Requires ☕️
Seems rude to bump the thread again, but I just downloaded this and wanted to pass on my thanks!
Markrs
Complete Beginner
Thanks for the reminder, you easily forget about this sort of thing, that people have already created and shared.
