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Evertune for Guitars Helped Bring My Love of the Instrument Back

Honigdachs said:
It is true. I know some people are quite excited about Evertune and it does seem to do its thing very well. But much like roller bridge saddles and similar inventions, it is a bit of a gimmick and shouldn't be necessary unless you're compensating for construction or hardware problems that are happening elsewhere. That's of course also the reason why they don't become standard tech that is used by manufacturers across the board.
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I disagree about it being a gimmick or not necessary, the Evertune solves a ton of problems that modern metal guitarist run into and it allows you to get away with stuff that is just not possible with a normal fixed or floating bridge, Evertune allows for severe down tuning while also giving you the ability to use lighter string gauges on a normal or even shorter scale length guitar and you won’t have the note go sharp on the initial attack, you won’t have to raise the action of the strings, and you won’t have intonation issues either. That’s just not possible any other way without having the change something in the setup, but with Evertune you can do it no problems

If you’re play in E standard then yeah, you probably don’t need it, but for us metal guys that down tune really far it’s a must have. Misha from Periphery tunes down to Drop C with the low C tuned down to G for Reptile and he uses a 10-58 for that, normal that string gauge would be way too light for that tuning on a 25.5 inch 6 string, but with an Evertune they have no issues at all
 
TonalDynamics said:
In all honesty this just comes down to proper guitar setup, which most people are either ill-informed about or can't be bothered to do.

Most tuning issues have to do with improperly cut nut slots which snag the strings and don't allow them to slide easily through the nut, so they get caught and go sharp or flat after a bend. ('Big Bends' nut sauce works wonders as a temp. fix for this problem!)

Also you mentioned strats, they generally have vintage tuners which are by far the most stable I've ever used for tuning stability... it's the cheaper 'floating' bridges you want to look out for to fall apart in this regard really.

So yeah this product you're talking about might work great, but it's really not necessary if your guitar has been properly set up by a knowledge tech or luthier.

Poor tuning stability on an otherwise great guitar = almost always a poor setup job.

Also:


^This can not be overstated; it's kind of a painful reality, but it's just how wood and metal work. The further down the gee-tar rabbit hole you go, the more guitars you will need to accommodate a wider variety of tunings, especially for Drop-B/A stuff, because your intonation is going to change with the string gauge and tension alterations, which is more than the simple open-string tuning issue that this item apparently fixes (which is still cool :)).

Cheers
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I don't know man. I don't think any Luthier could have kept my guitar in tune when I used to play it on stage. It took a tremendous amount of punishment and I didn't have a luthier to go over the guitar after every gig for me. Playing it at home vs. playin it on the road is night and day difference. But even at home, if you let a guitar sit for a day, the temp change or whatever else is probably going to effect it and you have to tune it before you play more than likely. I don't care how well set up a strat is, and maybe times have changed because my strat is a 25 year old Strat Plus but even after it was set up by a Luthier it still needed to be tuned before and intermittently during long gigs. I've never witnessed anyone who had guitars that stayed perfectly in tune for entire gigs. I just used the one guitar so I didn't have like 3 waiting for me to just pick up. All kinds of things can cause a guitar to go out of tune like temp and humidity but the evertune stays in tune no matter what. So what you are saying really isn't true. A well set up guitar is still going to go out of tune a lot even if set up perfectly, just maybe less that badly set up guitars.

And another thing if the strings are not broken in they will go out of tune no matter how well the guitar is set up...so you have to work them in and even when you think you broke the stings in it's hard to tell exactly when they are going to sit well, just stretching the strings isn't enough, it needs to be played for like 1/2 hour at least ...... unless it is an evertune which maintains the right tension even if the strings loosen from lots of bends as they stretch out.
 
Macrawn said:
I don't know man. I don't think any Luthier could have kept my guitar in tune when I used to play it on stage. It took a tremendous amount of punishment and I didn't have a luthier to go over the guitar after every gig for me. Playing it at home vs. playin it on the road is night and day difference. But even at home, if you let a guitar sit for a day, the temp change or whatever else is probably going to effect it and you have to tune it before you play more than likely. I don't care how well set up a strat is, and maybe times have changed because my strat is a 25 year old Strat Plus but even after it was set up by a Luthier it still needed to be tuned before and intermittently during long gigs. I've never witnessed anyone who had guitars that stayed perfectly in tune for entire gigs. I just used the one guitar so I didn't have like 3 waiting for me to just pick up. All kinds of things can cause a guitar to go out of tune like temp and humidity but the evertune stays in tune no matter what. So what you are saying really isn't true. A well set up guitar is still going to go out of tune a lot even if set up perfectly, just maybe less that badly set up guitars.

And another thing if the strings are not broken in they will go out of tune no matter how well the guitar is set up...so you have to work them in and even when you think you broke the stings in it's hard to tell exactly when they are going to sit well, just stretching the strings isn't enough, it needs to be played for like 1/2 hour at least ...... unless it is an evertune which maintains the right tension even if the strings loosen from lots of bends as they stretch out.
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Yep, you’re totally right on all of that, you can have the best guitar ever (like a Blackmachine B2) and no matter what it will eventually go out of tune do to a number of external factors, with an Evertune all of those factors are eliminated and you’re left with nothing but a perfectly in tune guitar. It really is THAT good and I will never play a guitar without one ever again
 
Macrawn said:
I don't know man. I don't think any Luthier could have kept my guitar in tune when I used to play it on stage. It took a tremendous amount of punishment and I didn't have a luthier to go over the guitar after every gig for me. Playing it at home vs. playin it on the road is night and day difference. But even at home, if you let a guitar sit for a day, the temp change or whatever else is probably going to effect it and you have to tune it before you play more than likely. I don't care how well set up a strat is, and maybe times have changed because my strat is a 25 year old Strat Plus but even after it was set up by a Luthier it still needed to be tuned before and intermittently during long gigs. I've never witnessed anyone who had guitars that stayed perfectly in tune for entire gigs. I just used the one guitar so I didn't have like 3 waiting for me to just pick up. All kinds of things can cause a guitar to go out of tune like temp and humidity but the evertune stays in tune no matter what. So what you are saying really isn't true. A well set up guitar is still going to go out of tune a lot even if set up perfectly, just maybe less that badly set up guitars.

And another thing if the strings are not broken in they will go out of tune no matter how well the guitar is set up...so you have to work them in and even when you think you broke the stings in it's hard to tell exactly when they are going to sit well, just stretching the strings isn't enough, it needs to be played for like 1/2 hour at least ...... unless it is an evertune which maintains the right tension even if the strings loosen from lots of bends as they stretch out.
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Oh yeah temp changes will 100% lead to tuning issues in the short-term. I didn't say it was useless, just that in general terms major tuning issues are invariably a setup issue assuming the construction is solid.

But even with temp we're only talking about fluctuations, like if your axe is in a case on the bus or in some room in the air-conditioning, and then you pull it out on stage and start playing right away without giving it time to acclimate, that's probably not a good idea. So step one in that case is let the axe breathe a bit close to the stage environment, warm up/cool down to ambient temp, and then tune her up.

But no you're right for that particular issue of short-term temp fluctuations, it would be pretty sweet to simply not have to worry about it.

If it's been at ambient (stage) temp for 30 min - 1 hr. or so though and it still goes out of tune on bends, you def still have some setup problems going on.

Also it's a matter of degrees eh, like 10-15 cents tuning variations don't really bother me at all and are easily remedied between songs. If it's a consistent issue of like ~30-40 cents or more then I'm sure this thing would help, but then again in all likelihood so would a proper setup in that situation.

In any case, now I want to try one. Waiting on the floating-trem style that Ken mentioned and then might just have to make some calls and try to demo one. (Although on a mechanical level a floating version seems like it would be difficult to implement(?!))

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KEM said:
Evertune allows for severe down tuning while also giving you the ability to use lighter string gauges on a normal or even shorter scale length guitar and you won’t have the note go sharp on the initial attack
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I quite literally might be interested in one though just for this alone; I'm quite 'chuggy' and heavy-handed with my attacks (intentionally), and this sounds like it might be a way to keep those attacks from going sharp (I've experienced this in drop D btw my whole life, so a light gauge on A or C would be 'fuhgettaboutit' territory). Also since (I assume) it's essentially reducing and subsequently increasing tension on those note attacks, does it not have an effect on note sustain?

I actually detune the low-D by a few cents just to address this issue when recording certain attack-heavy parts, believe it or not.

And I'm assuming they make different models to fit different brands, like an Ibanez/Strat 'version', etc.? Or do you actually have to bore out new space from the bridge cavity to make it fit?
 
TonalDynamics said:
I quite literally might be interested in one though just for this alone; I'm quite 'chuggy' and heavy-handed with my attacks (intentionally), and this sounds like it might be a way to keep those attacks from going sharp (I've experienced this in drop D btw my whole life, so a light gauge on A or C would be 'fuhgettaboutit' territory). Also since (I assume) it's essentially reducing and subsequently increasing tension on those note attacks, does it not have an effect on note sustain?

I actually detune the low-D by a few cents just to address this issue when recording certain attack-heavy parts, believe it or not.

And I'm assuming they make different models to fit different brands, like an Ibanez/Strat 'version', etc.? Or do you actually have to bore out new space from the bridge cavity to make it fit?
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Yep they make a version for Strat style and Les Paul style, so you can get either one depending on the type of guitar you have, but it does require additionally routing in the guitar to get them to fit, this is something that has been fixed with the bass bridge and will be implemented in the v2 guitar bridge. People have said there’s a little bit less sustain with an Evertune but I personally haven’t experienced it, I also play with a super tight gate so sustain isn’t really something I care about anyways :roflmao: but in general it’s negligible or nonexistent so I wouldn’t have any worries about that

I honestly can’t find any downsides with the Evertune, it’s fixed pretty much every issue I’ve ever had with the guitar
 
Just recorded this comparison for you guys to hear how much of a difference the Evertune makes. First guitar is my Solar Evertune in Drop A#, second guitar is my Ibanez blocked floating bridge in Drop A#. The low string on the Solar is a 62 and the low string on the Ibanez is a 58 so they're pretty close in gauge, and you can hear the pitch instability on the Ibanez initial attack whereas the Solar has no sharpening at all, the Evertune makes a massive difference and I won't ever play another guitar without one
 

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I heard VEGA TREM also a good one .. for strings butchering

 
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KEM said:
I disagree about it being a gimmick or not necessary, the Evertune solves a ton of problems that modern metal guitarist run into and it allows you to get away with stuff that is just not possible with a normal fixed or floating bridge, Evertune allows for severe down tuning while also giving you the ability to use lighter string gauges on a normal or even shorter scale length guitar and you won’t have the note go sharp on the initial attack, you won’t have to raise the action of the strings, and you won’t have intonation issues either. That’s just not possible any other way without having the change something in the setup, but with Evertune you can do it no problems

If you’re play in E standard then yeah, you probably don’t need it, but for us metal guys that down tune really far it’s a must have. Misha from Periphery tunes down to Drop C with the low C tuned down to G for Reptile and he uses a 10-58 for that, normal that string gauge would be way too light for that tuning on a 25.5 inch 6 string, but with an Evertune they have no issues at all
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OK, that's a point, in such cases it becomes a lot more interesting. I'm not as familiar with the intricacies and woes of extreme downtuning, since Eb would generally be the lowest I'll go. :) Anything below to my ears absolutely kills the tone and loses the percussive, tight attack I need for my style. I'll use a 7 string occasionally if a song benefits from that really low growl, but that's about it.
 
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KEM said:
Just recorded this comparison for you guys to hear how much of a difference the Evertune makes. First guitar is my Solar Evertune in Drop A#, second guitar is my Ibanez blocked floating bridge in Drop A#. The low string on the Solar is a 62 and the low string on the Ibanez is a 58 so they're pretty close in gauge, and you can hear the pitch instability on the Ibanez initial attack whereas the Solar has no sharpening at all, the Evertune makes a massive difference and I won't ever play another guitar without one
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Lol ironically something about the sharper attack on a heavy open string hit sounds metal AF :emoji_laughing:

Almost like we're conditioned to realize 'he hit that note hard', or something

But that's a great comparison, the thing certainly does what it advertises, no doubt.
 
ChickenAndARoll said:
Your next purchase should be an Axe FX product, I'm addicted to playing guitar at the moment because of it. It is essentially like Omnisphere for guitar amps and pedals all in one box, there are literally hundreds of different famous amp models and effects plus presets for all of them. I keep looking up my favorite guitar players' gear, and then sure enough, the amps and pedals they use are in the Axe FX and sound incredible.
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Kemper Profiling Amplifier...
 
Dissenting opinion: modern ITB music that is all Melodyned to hell and back has made some listeners (or maybe just most producers/mixers) irrationally intolerant of very minor intonation inconsistencies; but minor intonation inconsistencies are an important part of what makes an instrument (guitar, voice, whatever) sound real and alive. Gadgets to give instruments mathematically perfect equal-temperament tuning just make them sound more like samples.
 
The electric guitar tuning is a compromise to start.
I can hear why it may be interesting to have such an option, but i also want to pitch the instrument the way I hear it, blue notes and all...
 
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You can of course still bend strings with Evertune if you set it like that. But the main point is that the notes don't detune just because you have a bit heavier picking hand.
 
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