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2024: Which DAWs / apps do you prefer for work with orchestral libraries, *and why*?

Your preferred app(s) for work with orchestral libraries in 2024??

  • Ableton Live

    Votes: 18 5.6%
  • Acoustica Mixcraft

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Adobe Audition

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Apple Logic Pro

    Votes: 66 20.7%
  • Ardour

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Avid Pro Tools

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Avid Sibelius

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Bitwig Studio

    Votes: 7 2.2%
  • Cakewalk Sonar

    Votes: 11 3.4%
  • Cockos Reaper

    Votes: 59 18.5%
  • Finale

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Image Line FL Studio

    Votes: 9 2.8%
  • LMMS

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Magix Acid

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Magix Samplitude

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Magix Sequoia

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Magix Sound Forge

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Merging Pyramix

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Motu Digital Performer

    Votes: 19 6.0%
  • Notion

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • PreSonus Studio One

    Votes: 59 18.5%
  • Prism Media Sadie

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Reason Studios Reason

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sonic Score Overture

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SSL SoundScape

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • StaffPad

    Votes: 10 3.1%
  • Steinberg Cubase (or Cubasis)

    Votes: 101 31.7%
  • Apple GarageBand

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Steinberg Dorico

    Votes: 45 14.1%
  • Steinberg Nuendo

    Votes: 24 7.5%
  • Steinberg WaveLab

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Tracktion Waveform

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sagan Technology Metro

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sonic Score Overture

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other - please specify!

    Votes: 4 1.3%

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Just remember, this is more of a representation of the hobbyist landscape than what professionals are using day to day (as the large majority of Vi-C members are hobbyists).
Great point and that right there decribes me. That's exactly why I'm staying put with Cubase, because the user base is massive due to its history, as is the amount of training resources from single posts on here to countless videos and courses for purchase. And contrary to some opinions, I love the UI and after several years I KNOW it. TBH, the majority of videos I watch from Guy Michelmore to Blakus to Ben Botkin and right on down the line (purposely left out the biggie), they're using Cubase. Some are Logic and if I owned a Mac I would have considered it. But because of that I often can watch an orchestration video in the same DAW I have even if it's not DAW specific.

Sheesh, how TL;DR was that reply? :whistling:
 
FL Studio does not.
Thanks, but is FL really a DAW which could be described as major in this context (the topic is work with orch. libraries) with less than 3% of the votes? Even Dorico, which AFAIK never was planned as an app that would take up the competition with Cubase, Logic or Studio One, has much better results than FL (at least so far). Not that 'most popular' means 'best'...

I agree, of course, with JohnG, that this isn't a scientific comparison, and btw – this thread isn't meant to be about which app that's 'best'. :) It's about why we prefer the app(s) we use. I use Logic because I know it well, was disappointed when I tried Cubase, because I'm too lazy to try out Studio One – and because I don't really care which DAW is best (or most popular). IMO, Logic has some severe shortcomings, but a) I'm sure they all have, and b) it also has some really great stuff (which the others probably have too).
But Cubase has its own pros in comparison also.
Out of sheer curiosity – what are they, anyone? I have generally disliked both Cubase and Dorico for being way too cumbersome, but things may have changed since then.
 
mostly hobbyist comment, skip

Reaper:
- it feels extremely fast and capable
- I don't feel like I run into silly issues
- I'm totally free to integrate DAW actions onto a controller, or combine actions at will (or create scripts, and GPT can do a lot of that)
- as a result, many visibility/navigation/batch/mixing tasks are handled swiftly and maybe by a single shortcut

Else:
- I would love to try Dorico as I like writing on score, but I am nervous to try something new that's also somewhat mutually exclusive to working in a DAW.
- I am also nervous about how much I'd get along with Cubase if I really enjoyed Dorico and Steinberg found a way to integrate their projects in the future.

I currently get paid little for DAW-related services. I do not know how working alongside other professionals would impact my workflow, software/hardware choices, beyond certain professions usually being married to 1-3 DAWs, and Reaper's "crowd" relative to the other major DAWs appearing to be game audio, at least as far as is represented by VI-C.
 
Out of sheer curiosity – what are they, anyone? I have generally disliked both Cubase and Dorico for being way too cumbersome, but things may have changed since then.

off the top of my head, and I'm not a cubase guru by any means

  • expression maps, main cool distinguishing feature is the 4 groups feature of it.

  • the track editor panel, not sure what its called, if you hit the e button for the track, it pulls up the cool panel for all eq, compression, etc. in one nice place

  • Logic editor, so they say, I don't know it.

  • generally I like the look of its piano roll though.

  • macros

  • cool set of built in midi plugins, better then midi plugins of other daws

  • Control Room

  • Note Expression

  • Chord Track
Other things which are not solely unique to Cubase too of course
 
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Thanks, but is FL really a DAW which could be described as major in this context (the topic is work with orch. libraries) with less than 3% of the votes?
Absolutely, yes. A lot of YouTube composers use it, even if many aren't present on VI-C. Hell, pretty sure @Andrew Aversa still uses it.

(more than prepared to eat my words on that claim but I've seen it in most all of his Shreddage demo uploads)
 
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If Dorico got audio tracks, bounce to audio and audio recording it would make life much easier. That would be the dream.

As it is I can't restrict my choices to just 3 apps in the poll.
A few weeks ago Steinberg/Dorico asked users to fill out a feedback survey. The above was no. 1 on my wishlist (Dorico with simple audio tracks and ability to bounce to audio).
 
In the case of the notation apps I would draw a distinction between the app on its own and the app with NPPE. I like Dorico+NPPE for orchestral stuff; Dorico on its own, not so much.
 
Ableton Live, Bitwig Studio, FL Studio

So – the above solution is no good then?
As it is I can't restrict my choices to just 3 apps in the poll.
Should I add an option to vote for more choices?
  • expression maps, main cool distinguishing feature is the 4 groups feature of it.

  • the track editor panel, not sure what its called, if you hit the e button for the track, it pulls up the cool panel for all eq, compression, etc. in one nice place

  • Logic editor, so they say, I don't know it.

  • generally I like the look of its piano roll though.

  • macros

  • cool set of built in midi plugins, better then midi plugins of other daws

  • Control Room

  • Note Expression

  • Chord Track
Thanks, I don't know what the '4 groups feature is', but am curious. Logic also has a Logical editor ("Transform".) I'd really like to have macros in Logic, more MIDI plugins/presets, and Note Expressions.


 
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Here (and onward) you go. This concept allows articulation management to be highly efficient, especially in terms of space, required in MIDI editor in order to observe it and make input. Not to mention Cubase Expression maps are fully integrated with the Score editor, which is perfectly fine on its own once fully understood and learned.
Even a time, required for all the setup, must be considered as a time you borrowed for a given VI capabilities learning — at least, that's how it is based on my own experience.
 
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Here (and onward) you go. This concept allows articulation management to be highly efficient, especially in terms of space, required in MIDI editor in order to observe it and make input. Not to mention Cubase Expression maps are fully integrated with the Score editor, which is perfectly fine on its own once fully understood and learned.
Even a time, required for all the setup, must be considered as a time you borrowed for a given VI capabilities learning — at least, that's how it is based on my own experience.
Yep.

It should be pointed out that LogicPro does include Scripter, which makes it possible to do some very advanced things, including it would be possible to effectively accomplish much of the same thing as using 4 expression map groups in Cubase...except that you might be combining some automation curves to represent group 2,3,4,5, and only use the articulation set for the core set of articulations. But....writing scripter scripts is beyond what many/most composers are willing or able to do...and can be time sink even for those are are able...but at any rate..Scripter is one major feature of LogicPro for those willing to use it, to extend the capabilities of LogicPro in some ways.

But anyway to answer @Vik, the way the cubase expression map concept is designed is good and bad. it's good in terms of flexibility, but bad in terms of utility. some of the tricks that can be done with it are so cumbersome to do, that its barely worth the time and energy to do it...and not immediately intuitive either. But anyway, the most simple way to think about the expression map 4 groups thing is to think about it the following way:

In any given instrument you have, you will notice that certain sets of keyswitched features are mutually exclusive with each other and others are not. For example, staccato and legato. You can't have both at the same time. if you are currently staccato and you send the keyswitch for legato, then staccato is turned off. Staccato and legato are part of a "set" of articulations which are mutually exclusive..one of them active at a time.

but there can be other "features" in the instrument which can be turned on or off completely independently of that set. For example, maybe a divisi setting, or a mute setting, etc. And there could be more than one "set of mutually exclusive. For example, maybe Set 2 is mute/unmute. Sending the key switch for unmute, turns off mute...doesn't change the other set 1 settings (staccato or legato).

So Anyway Cubase expression has 4 groups, each one is kind of its own mutually exclusive set. one articulation from each group can be active at any given instant. So you can have up to 4 completely independent lanes of state.

But really that is just the tip of the iceberg...and because you define every single possible combination of those 4 groups in your expression map, you have freedom to make every combination the exact set of key switches you want, which is VERY cumbersome to program, but does provide a lot of flexibility and can minimize how many rows you see on the cubase articulation lane compared to if you had to represent every combination as a completely separate row.
 
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