What's new

MacOS Sonoma is here. What's working/Not working

I have no idea who's to blame, but the point is that it's an ongoing PITA for everyone. And it's not emojis that break things, nor the features Apple adds (which I happen to like most of the time), it's stuff going on in the background.

Those are probably improvements, but not if they disrupt people's work. In fact I'd be sure they're improvements if it weren't for the pointless interface changes they've been making recently.
Yes so true. And how about the other handy things that could be implemented? One example: QuickLook. I remember what seemed to be at least 15 years ago there was a third-party app that did a QuickLook long before Apple came out with it, but upped Apple's game by letting you select and copy text within the 'quicklook' window without having to open the document in Preview or TextEdit. Here we are in 2023, and it's basically still the same unless there is something I'm not yet aware of.

Then, I don't know if there is a setting I'm missing on my phone but for me, this new default select thing in iOS 17 drives me crazy when trying to delete or add just a character/letter by instead getting the blue select brackets over the entire word instead of the edit cursor when you only want to simply add or edit text somewhere. I know you can long-hold to change it to a cursor but [on my phone at least] I find it fiddly because it doesn't always happen. Then to make that worse, half the time the 'select - copy etc. combo box menu' also pops up directly under it making it harder to get to the cursor at all. Then again, I've stayed with Apple products since the late 80s so.... (At least back then they were upgradable even down to motherboard upgrades to make it a new model and they didn't do an OS upgrade every single year).
 
Last edited:
I know nothing about computers and only recently got a Mac for the first time; but, I'm on Ventura and having no problems except with older software that hasn't been updated to work on Ventura. Most of the main in-development software is absolutely fine. I'm using Studio One, Kontakt 6, Kontakt Player 7, Engine II, Opus, Sine, and many other things. I've used some Spitfire Player libraries with it, but I haven't tried Labs.

I haven't upgraded to Sonoma yet due to this thread...
I don't upgrade macOS until about a month before the next new one is released. This gives both Apple and devs a solid 11 months to iron out any wrinkles along the way and I end up getting the best, most mature version of it. Not a bad strategy and it has served me well. It's pretty rare anymore for a major new OS feature to be so enticing that I'm willing to be an early adopter for it.
 
I don't upgrade macOS until about a month before the next new one is released.
Just to add: you can - and should! - still update your edition of MacOS, even if you decide to stay one or two "named" versions behind. Ventura and Monterey still receive regular security updates - most recently on 11th Dec - along with Sonoma.

These are accessed via Software Update in a panel labelled "Other updates are available". Given the importance of updates to basic online safety, these are far too easily missed below the much more prominent "Upgrade to <next major version>", IMHO.
 
Yep update, but don't forget to backup your entire disk.
Last time I updated Monterey, from 12.7 to 12.7.1 (so a very minor update), it bricked my computer...
And I was obliged to physically go to an Apple Store and upgrade to Sonoma in order to recover it....

I must say I lost a big part of my trust in Apple after this...
 
Yep update, but don't forget to backup your entire disk.
Last time I updated Monterey, from 12.7 to 12.7.1 (so a very minor update), it bricked my computer...
And I was obliged to physically go to an Apple Store and upgrade to Sonoma in order to recover it....

I must say I lost a big part of my trust in Apple after this...

But you know going in that any time you download 50 billion bits there are 50 billion chances for one or more to get flipped! And when 50 billion people do that... say no more.

Apple does tell you to back everything up before you update macOS, plus there's a recovery partition, so thankfully this kind of story - the whole computer getting fricked - is pretty rare.

However, my sympathies! I don't mean to sound cavalier, I'm just saying that there are better reasons to lose faith in Apple than this... such as risking an $18 billion a year business by violating a patent (assuming that's what actually happened).
 
But you know going in that any time you download 50 billion bits there are 50 billion chances for one or more to get flipped! And when 50 billion people do that... say no more.

Apple does tell you to back everything up before you update macOS, plus there's a recovery partition, so thankfully this kind of story - the whole computer getting fricked - is pretty rare.

However, my sympathies! I don't mean to sound cavalier, I'm just saying that there are better reasons to lose faith in Apple than this... such as risking an $18 billion a year business by violating a patent (assuming that's what actually happened).
It was not bad luck, but a bug : everybody that updated from 12.7 to 12.7.1 AND had ProMotion disabled had a bricked laptop. Check online, it's a well known failure...
I never had such a crazy bug before, and I could actually have lost 2 weeks of important work (yes I know, backup all the time). So what I wanted to say was that I will be much more cautious now and don't trust that any Apple update is safe by nature...
 
It was not bad luck, but a bug : everybody that updated from 12.7 to 12.7.1 AND had ProMotion disabled had a bricked laptop. Check online, it's a well known failure...
I hadn't heard of that bug until now, I don't have a current Macbook.

Just curious, why would you have ProMotion disabled? Is it to preserve battery life or is there some other reason?
 
I hadn't heard of that bug until now, I don't have a current Macbook.

Just curious, why would you have ProMotion disabled? Is it to preserve battery life or is there some other reason?
I must say that I don't even remember why I disabled it. Long time ago, I had an issue with something and one of the solution was to disable ProMotion. But I don't even remember what issue and if it fixed it or no... Anyway, because it didn't change nothing to my experience, I kept it like that, forgetting about it, and then I updated Monterey last october...
But there was some good in this situation : I have some issues with NI and PA plugins on Sonoma, but if I except that I've got impression that Sonoma is globally better, more stable and more snappy than Monterey.
It also fixed some unstability issues with my MOTU Ultralite, but like with many other issues, I'm not completly sure if it's Sonoma or the last Motu driver's update (I did the update at the same time)...
 
Last edited:
As music/tech guru Craig Anderton wrote back in the '90's:

"In order to get work done, it's best to stay on the 'trailing-edge of technology'"
Craig wasn't using any great powers of gurudom to make that comment in the '90s!

It was a quarter of a century ago, still quite early in the digital revolution. Things have changed a lot since then, and the cutting edge of technology is a lot less sharp. People expect their computers to work.
 
Thanks a lot for the very detailed answer... I noticed it actually looks much better since I updated Sonoma to 14.1.2 (or maybe it's even fixed, I need to test it deeper), but if I still have issues I'll follow your recommendations.
I'm surprised Text Edit is such a coding mess (given the apparent simplicity of the app), and I guess it shows something from how Apple manages its apps in general.

I must say that I use almost no built-in Apple apps (except Text Edit, Notes, Calendar and Music), because each time I tried I found they were crippled with crazy non-ergonomic behavior. For exemple Photos, that creates copies of pictures everywhere, or Notes where you can't save your (often thousands of) notes when you need to install a new OS from scratch (backing up through creating a pdf for each note ? Are you crazy Apple ?)... Of course there is iCloud, but it is such a crazy mess and I had so much problems when I was using it (especially if you don't pay for the additionnal cloud storage space) that I can't imagine using it anymore...
And so on...

To give my (humble) opinion on the @Nick Batzdorf complain, I think that Apple are the first to blame. Of course, Native Instruments and Plugin Alliance became a mess recently and obviously can't manage the developpement of their plugins on the long term. At this precise moment (december 2023), NI and PA are indeed the only plugins that make problem on my M1 pro system (even if they are supposed to be compatible - I don't speak about the abandonware plugins that are still not Apple Silicon ready, like Boz Digital Labs stuff and few others).
I never had any issues with Fabfilter, Valhalla, AudioThing and even Soundtoys plugins...
But Apple is destroying everything each year with their release pace, and give a lot of non necessary work to the plugins devs just so the non professionals Apple users can use new emojis. It's a known fact that anyone using Apple as an audio production machine always stays few OS versions behind : because a new OS almost never brings any improvement for audio work, and almost always brings instability and issues with pro audio tools.
Of course I understand that some progress is important, and I appreciate the huge technological jump that was the Apple Silicon tech. I did accept the mess that were the first 2 years of this new technology, because of the massive change it was, but a new OS each year, with the huge additionnal work it represents for both the devs and the users (I can't count the time I spent in the last 2 years checking plugins, monitoring their update release, testing them, trying to understand the issues, trying to find an alternative to the non working plugins, etc. etc. etc.) is truly an absurd policy that is toxic for everyone. But Apple of course...

The only interest I can see from the Apple point of view is to stay always ahead of the game by constantly disrupting the game. So this is a very agressive economical strategy, and it doesn't benefit anyone but Apple. I much prefer the Apple environnement to the Windows one (especially for audio) but I HATE the way they manage their economical position by disrupting everything constantly...
Managing the music on my iPhone using the "tools" Apple provides - or rather, fails to provide - is a nightmare. Can't even see what's REALLY on the phone, or even playlists. It's hard to believe how horrible, scary, and untuitive it is.
 
Managing the music on my iPhone using the "tools" Apple provides - or rather, fails to provide - is a nightmare. Can't even see what's REALLY on the phone, or even playlists. It's hard to believe how horrible, scary, and untuitive it is.
Oh, the iOS Music and Mac music apps have always been raging clustershags (unless you subscribe to Apple Music, which may be their goal).

Well, it was good at first on Macs when it was iTunes. But now mine plays things out of order, shows the wrong pictures for albums, etc. - again, with music you've bought or put in your library, not streaming music.

In any case, we're talking about macOS versions and the music/audio software musicians use. This is something different, and it's a departure from Apple's typically high quality programs.
 
I’m on Mojave and must upgrade soon. I’m using Cubase 10.5.1 on an 2019 i9 iMac. Can anyone recommend the SAFEST OS to update to for my particular use case? Thanks.
 
I wouldn't bother with Ventura, I find Sonoma very stable and a bit more efficient, especially for what is concerning USB audio drivers from RME et al. that often suffered from drop-outs on Ventura and below on Apple Silicon Macs. I use Cubase 12 under Sonoma on an M1 Max MacBook Pro and I'm very happy with it. I don't know how the situation is on Intel Macs however.
 
I wouldn't bother with Ventura, I find Sonoma very stable and a bit more efficient, especially for what is concerning USB audio drivers from RME et al. that often suffered from drop-outs on Ventura and below on Apple Silicon Macs. I use Cubase 12 under Sonoma on an M1 Max MacBook Pro and I'm very happy with it. I don't know how the situation is on Intel Macs however.
a lot of the tools i use don't yet list sonoma compatibiltiy
 
Top Bottom