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Jaycen Joshua's The God Particle plug-in

Henu said:
1. Slap a stock EQ into the master bus with a hyped Fletcher-Munson curve.
2. Mix into that.
3. When done mixing, remove the EQ.
4. Realize that the stock EQ is now "the essential plugin to make everything sound better".

Just saying. :D
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I was wondering something along the same lines myself. If you're supposed to mix into it, how can you tell whether it is improving things or not? Or is it supposed to be a sort of mixing guide as well as automatic mastererer?
 
It improves things because everything falls more or less apart when you take it away. So if you really would want to compare, you'd need to do two completely separate mix sessions! And who knows, maybe the other (latter, probably, given the experience and the chance to improve?) one would just generally lock a bit better because stars, kittens and gods.

However, for the benefit of this actual plugin, I've understood that it has some EQ, saturation and multiband compression baked in. Possibly widening if it's about that good old "Impress Your Client" preset. Those things usually have the tendency to make the sound a bit more ready and even "commercial", so I believe that if you did two separate mixes, the GP version would sound better for most because it sounds already half-mastered.

That being said, I'm sure that the non-GP-mixed track with a proper mastering job (doing the same things mentioned above) would mop the floor with the GP-mixed version. This all sounds like mixing straight into a "poor man's mastering chain" :D which could or could not be what people may want. So I do get the idea why it's used, but personally I belong to the group who want to keep the mix and mastering processes completely separate.
 
This plugin out of the box does something like a 3dB high shelf at 150 Hz and a -3dB low shelf at about 2.6 kHz. Then, it does a bit of multiband compression (close to the Pro-MB 'level and punch' preset.) It then adds some odd harmonics, and finally completely fucks up your stereo image (if you are mixing something for a film, don't use it.) In the end, you can choose to engage a relatively cheap limiter which wasn't doing any proper oversampling the last time I looked at it with PluginDoctor.

It's a close copy of the old Jaycen's Ozone 4 preset made into a plugin, I think.
 
Akarin said:
In the end, you can choose to engage a relatively cheap limiter which wasn't doing any proper oversampling the last time I looked at it with PluginDoctor.

It's a close copy of the old Jaycen's Ozone 4 preset made into a plugin, I think.
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Up to 8x oversampling in the latest update, and it doesn't sound like his Ozone 4 preset.
 
Akarin said:
This plugin out of the box does something like a 3dB high shelf at 150 Hz and a -3dB low shelf at about 2.6 kHz. Then, it does a bit of multiband compression (close to the Pro-MB 'level and punch' preset.) It then adds some odd harmonics, and finally completely fucks up your stereo image (if you are mixing something for a film, don't use it.) In the end, you can choose to engage a relatively cheap limiter which wasn't doing any proper oversampling the last time I looked at it with PluginDoctor.

It's a close copy of the old Jaycen's Ozone 4 preset made into a plugin, I think.
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I don’t think the stereo imaging it does is that severe, I’ve never had an issue with it personally, I think it sounds quite good
 
I should also add that the oversampling has made a massive improvement on the sound of the limiter, the midrange especially was a victim of not having oversampling as it could get distorted and muddy when pushed but with 8x oversampling on it stays pretty clean now
 
Interesting approach and vibe. One thing I have noticed is on most of the vids - they were just 'louder'. So as to not be 'influenced' by that - how much gain is the defualt set at (it sounds like at least +3db). What have folks found on that?
 
One other comment/inquiry. I ship out stems here and rarely 2bus mixes. I have my rig set up now with Drawmer 1973 set up sidechain (so each stem retains the appropiate amount of processing - e.g. if all stems added together in a dub mix - they would equal the 2bus overall mix). I see this plugin has sidechain, so I should be able to use in same manner as the 1973. How's the CPU hit? (I'll need to have 8 stem busses using this on final mixes).
 
jesussaddle said:
2probeats Youtube has a free Ozone 9 preset (I believe it works in 9 and possibly 8 and 7). You can tweak that and my feeling is that I have far more control with it. I did an A - B of my tweaks of the preset and there's no appreciable difference in quality at least for me - both are effective at adding harmonic excitement and stereo width, and balancing the multibands of the compression. I didn't add a limiter on it, but that would be next I suppose. Also I haven't yet placed it, or Ozone 9, in DDMF Metaplugin which will allow a degree of oversampling, which should improve it further. I have a friend who's trying this preset with an earlier free version of Ozone, so it may or may not work in that but it should.

I see why people like it. Its not just that Ozone is a bit hard to face, with all its technicalities. But more than that there are occasions where the multiband EQ setup in God Particle may be a zero-effort deal, whereas people will probably overthink curves and eq (God Particle has a particular knob response curve for the low, mid, high that's covered in a video by Panorama Mixing & Mastering (Youtube).

Another route to trying to add "sauce" and streamline one's dynamics, EQ and spatial balancing, is to get a few of the Hornet plugins, like Hornet ThirtyOne Mk2 (amazing, and on sale for less than $10 usually - currently about $5), Analog Mk4, and Syncpressor - these are always going on sale and can be interesting at cheaply accomplishing things otherwise a bit more expensive to accomplish.

There are a lot of routes to get a lot of things, but for simplicity, God Particle seems to do a good job at replacing multiple plugins.

One thing I've never been able to replace is my DDMF Magic Death Eye Stereo Compressor - even on the chain A-B'ing the trial of God Particle with Ozone 9, my ears always preferred it left on (as was true of Syncpressor & Analog Mk2 but especially Hornet ThirtyOne Mk2).

I'm not opting to buy God Particle because Ozone 9 did too good a job here. But also I have so many alternatives to improve or vary God Particle's sound that would cost a beginner in time to learn. The Ozone 9 preset is free (just provide an email, and I used a spam account that I check irregularly, and never had to even "activate" it). See the comments below the video.

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im trying to download this Ozone 9 preset with no success
 
R. Naroth said:
Bought. How can I not after reading @KEM 's passionate recommendation!
My mixes definitely can use some divine intervention. :emoji_grin:
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Awesome!! Let me know what you think!! Put it on your mixbus before you even start mixing and then go from there, and once you feel like you’ve got a finished mix go ahead and turn it off and see how much of a different it makes
 
Alex Niedt said:
3) It's not meant to be a last-minute bandaid for a lacking mix, so demoing it as such won't give you the best impression. Mix into it from the start and be aware of how/where to hit the meters.
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So really it is a "mixing assistant" plugin rather than a mastering plugin?
 
KEM said:
Put it on your mixbus before you even start mixing and then go from there, and once you feel like you’ve got a finished mix go ahead and turn it off and see how much of a different it makes
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But this would be true of pretty much any random mixbus chain.
 
monochrome said:
I don't really know if it's doing anything crazy that ozone can't do, but I bought I bought it anyway a couple days ago and I love it, I'm not great at this stuff so it definitely simplifies some of the process

off:
View attachment kwolok no particle.mp3

on (overkill but was having fun using it):
View attachment kwolok particle.mp3
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Can repost and MATCH the volume levels (version 'on' is much louder and can influence decisions) I think with same same volume comparisons it will sound better - more 'open' even.
 
SupremeFist said:
So really it is a "mixing assistant" plugin rather than a mastering plugin?
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It’s not a mastering plugin at all, I think that’s where people get it confused, it’s Jaycen Joshua’s mixbus in a plugin. This plugin is meant to replace your entire mixbus chain, then you would master it afterwards

SupremeFist said:
But this would be true of pretty much any random mixbus chain.
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Maybe so, but this is better than all of those ;)
 
KEM said:
It’s not a mastering plugin at all, I think that’s where people get it confused, it’s Jaycen Joshua’s mixbus in a plugin. This plugin is meant to replace your entire mixbus chain, then you would master it afterwards
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Ah ok, thank you! This makes a bit more sense. But if I'm getting it mastered afterwards then I definitely don't want a limiter in the chain, right? (And possibly not much — if any — compression, depending on the engineer's tastes.)
 
SupremeFist said:
Ah ok, thank you! This makes a bit more sense. But if I'm getting it mastered afterwards then I definitely don't want a limiter in the chain, right? (And possibly not much — if any — compression, depending on the engineer's tastes.)
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That’s usually correct, unless the mastering engineer doesn’t care, there’s certainly cases where limiting is a vital part of a mixing engineers sound so they keep it on when they send a mix to a mastering engineer, and they have to work accordingly. But you can always just turn off the limiter within The God Particle, and the compression it’s doing is multiband, so a mastering engineer would likely use a glue compressor for their work so that shouldn’t be an issue either
 
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