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Recirculate by Newfangled Audio

I bought it as a Newfangled Audio amateur.

A cursory browsing of presets: feels a little disappointing soundwise, sounds quite metallic to me.
On the other hand, I really appreciate that the preset names give a clue as to which material it could be applied to, such as 'Feed me something gated'.

It will take quite a bit of further experimentation to get a deeper feel of how good the delay engine is.
 
Will demo it (crossgrade pricing available), but am highly skeptical and also concerned about the "Timeless 3 Effect" - where a delay should be a delay but gets so complex that the hard things may be easier but the easy things are harder, ending up with something I didn't want to use.

Also concerned about latency. I wasn't expecting Saturate to add so much that I never use it because I'm usually not in "mixing my music" mode but, instead, in jamming/tracking mode.
 
vitocorleone123 said:
Will demo it (crossgrade pricing available), but am highly skeptical and also concerned about the "Timeless 3 Effect" - where a delay should be a delay but gets so complex that the hard things may be easier but the easy things are harder, ending up with something I didn't want to use.

Also concerned about latency. I wasn't expecting Saturate to add so much that I never use it because I'm usually not in "mixing my music" mode but, instead, in jamming/tracking mode.
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OK, my first impressions are positive. No latency issues.

Sort of what Timeless 3 should've been? Clearly there's a different design language between the two companies, so that has an impact. The Newfangled approach, while decidedly less fluid, is more easily understandable. But they packed a lot in, so it's also rather busy/dense.

I don't hear "metallic" in it, though it's definitely a digital delay. Like it said in the product description, it's exploring new things in the digital realm, not trying to perfectly reproduce a delay from 1963. Has a bit of Other Desert Cities sound, but not the same feature set.

I don't know that I'd pay $100 for it. $50 intro is where it needs to be competitively - it has more features than Valhalla Delay, but less "vibe" (seems to have its own character, like the other Newfangled). But for $29? I'm going to do a long-term demo.
 
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Got it for $29 with the crossgrade.

I need to dig deeper but the first impression after trying the presets is very positive. Sounds great and there's so much to play with.

vitocorleone123 said:
but am highly skeptical and also concerned about the "Timeless 3 Effect" - where a delay should be a delay but gets so complex that the hard things may be easier but the easy things are harder
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Yeah this is definitely not your bread and butter delay. More of an experimental sound design tool with feedback.

It doesn't feel as obtuse as Timeless 3 but if you just want a simple delay probably better stick to Valhalla Delay.

vitocorleone123 said:
Also concerned about latency. I wasn't expecting Saturate to add so much that I never use it because I'm usually not in "mixing my music" mode but, instead, in jamming/tracking mode.
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I can't perceive any significant latency.

Saturate is a mastering tool from the Elevate bundle so latency was probably not even a consideration.
 
From a Newfangled email I received this morning:

Newfangled Audio said:
…and if you own ANY Newfangled Audio OR Eventide plug-in GET IT FOR JUST $29!
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As noted above, the real crossgrade price is $29.40, not $29.00 (not that it matters much; but I don’t want to knowingly spread misinformation, regardless of how close it is to being correct).

I suspect that a great many of us own at least one Newfangled Audio or Eventide plugin.

Best,

Geoff
 
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Geoff Grace said:
From a Newfangled email I received this morning:


As noted above, the real crossgrade price is $29.40, not $29.00 (not that it matters much; but I don’t want to knowingly spread misinformation, regardless of how close it is to being correct).

I suspect that a great many of us own at least one Newfangled Audio or Eventide plugin.

Best,

Geoff
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For want of 40 cents, the delay plugin was lost. Details matter. At least in brain surgery.
 
I like the plugin, but decided to pass on it due to the heavy CPU usage. At least until I get a new computer, at which point I may revisit.

Also, the developer noted on GS that they don't think it's worth spending a lot of time on CPU optimization for delays, which I found... a bit dismissive and annoying as a potential customer.

Edit: he posted a detailed, thoughtful follow-up that, ultimately, doesn’t change the CPU usage or my decision.
 
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vitocorleone123 said:
I like the plugin, but decided to pass on it due to the heavy CPU usage. At least until I get a new computer, at which point I may revisit.

Also, the developer noted on GS that they don't think it's worth spending a lot of time on CPU optimization for delays, which I found... a bit dismissive and annoying as a potential customer.

Edit: he posted a detailed, thoughtful follow-up that, ultimately, doesn’t change the CPU usage or my decision.
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Curious. While you can add delay later or in different contexts, I would typically want it in real time to incorporate it into the performance that you record.
 
Bee_Abney said:
Curious. While you can add delay later or in different contexts, I would typically want it in real time to incorporate it into the performance that you record.
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Yes. And I may have multiple of the same delay with different settings on one or more tracks as well as different delays on other tracks - sometimes every track.

Newfangled makes good products and I’m glad they exist. But the developer could use a good dose of UX research and some highlight reels showing him people using (or trying to use) his products. Of course, that applies to a LOT of developers at small companies. And large ones. Hehe.

At any rate, it’s definitely a good and powerful delay, no doubt. Definitely worth doing a demo. Just need need to compare its CPU use to your other current favorite delays and decide if it’s an issue for you or not. For me, at least until I get an Intel Arrow Lake system built toward the end of the year, it is too much CPU for a delay.
 
vitocorleone123 said:
Just need need to compare its CPU use to your other current favorite delays and decide if it’s an issue for you or not. For me, at least until I get an Intel Arrow Lake system built toward the end of the year, it is too much CPU for a delay.
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But it's not just a delay. It's more of a specialized sound design tool that incorporates feedback.

I think Dan was right to point out (in his GS comment) that you probably wouldn't use Recirculate in tons of tracks. Again, this is not a bread and butter delay.
 
Pier said:
But it's not just a delay. It's more of a specialized sound design tool that incorporates feedback.

I think Dan was right to point out (in his GS comment) that you probably wouldn't use Recirculate in tons of tracks. Again, this is not a bread and butter delay.
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That's the same reason why I wasn't worried when Urs said at NAMM that Zebra 3 will have seconds of latency on a lot of patches.

[Lie. Untrue.]
 
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Bee_Abney said:
That's the same reason why I wasn't worried when Urs said at NAMM that Zebra 3 will have seconds of latency on a lot of patches.

[Lie. Untrue.]
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In all seriousness, remember when Diva was released? You were lucky if you could run a couple of instances.

Now even a potato can run many instances of Diva at divine quality. I think the Macbook Air with a base M1 chip can run like 20+ instances.

Some stuff of Zebra 3 is going to be very expensive for today's CPUs but Urs is thinking long term here.
 
Pier said:
In all seriousness, remember when Diva was released? You were lucky if you could run a couple of instances.

Now even a potato can run many instances of Diva at divine quality. I think the Macbook Air with a base M1 chip can run like 20+ instances.

Some stuff of Zebra 3 is going to be very expensive for today's CPUs but Urs is thinking long term here.
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Well, he was certainly thinking longterm when he announced it!
 
Technostica said:
Eventide recently released separate immersive versions of a few plugins, so that may well be their general strategy.
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I just received an email from Eventide, people that already have Eventide plugins that are now available as Immersive plugins get the update for free:


Immersive Update!​

Blackhole® and MicroPitch Immersive updates include:
  • Mono and stereo support
  • Full surround and Dolby Atmos® channel support - LCR thru 9.1.6
  • New presets
  • Reduced CPU usage
Update FREE to owners!
www.eventideaudio.com

Eventide VST Plugins for Music Production

Eventide Audio plugins for mixing and mastering. Equalizers, compressors, limiters, effects processors, audio enhancers, reverbs. Free demo.
www.eventideaudio.com www.eventideaudio.com
 
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kgdrum said:
I just received an email from Eventide, people that already have Eventide plugins that are now available as Immersive plugins get the update for free:


Immersive Update!​

Blackhole® and MicroPitch Immersive updates include:
  • Mono and stereo support
  • Full surround and Dolby Atmos® channel support - LCR thru 9.1.6
  • New presets
  • Reduced CPU usage
Update FREE to owners!
www.eventideaudio.com

Eventide VST Plugins for Music Production

Eventide Audio plugins for mixing and mastering. Equalizers, compressors, limiters, effects processors, audio enhancers, reverbs. Free demo.
www.eventideaudio.com www.eventideaudio.com
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"Owners of stereo Blackhole or MicroPitch (standalone, H9 Bundle, or Anthology XI/XII) receive discounted crossgrade pricing on Immersive plug-ins."
 
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