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Guitarists! Is it possible to get an 8-string sound with 6-string guitars?

I have 3 baritone guitars and one "standard". In order for the standard guitar to get down to the my other tunings in my baritones, I have it tuned to C. And then I run it through a transpose plugin. I really like my Neural DSP plugins. However, IMO, the best transposer is poly tune inside of Helix Native. I just think it tracks better and sounds more accurate.
 
I have 3 baritone guitars and one "standard". In order for the standard guitar to get down to the my other tunings in my baritones, I have it tuned to C. And then I run it through a transpose plugin. I really like my Neural DSP plugins. However, IMO, the best transposer is poly tune inside of Helix Native. I just think it tracks better and sounds more accurate.
Helix Native is truly outstanding. If you use a third party IR, it’s near impossible to tell the difference between it and these mega hyped Neural plugins.
 
Before anyone buys a Digitech Whammy for pitching down a 6 string guitar I would seriously consider just buying a cheap 8 string guitar instead. At Thomann the price difference is negligable (169 Euro for the cheapest 8 string and 149 Euro for the cheapest digitech pitch shifter - the whammy DT is 288,- even). I've once bought a digitech drop pedal and returned it, because in my humble opinion it offers no improvement over the pitch shifter in guitar rig. I never tried the NDSP ones but I expect them to be at least as good as GR.
My next paycheck I'm getting the Whammy from JRR. It's been mentioned a lot for software but found best deal for it there.

Course when I get a 8 string, I'll get a Harley Benton from Thomann.
 
My next paycheck I'm getting the Whammy from JRR. It's been mentioned a lot for software but found best deal for it there.

Course when I get a 8 string, I'll get a Harley Benton from Thomann.

Not too familiar with Harley Benton but I know they’re a cheap brand, I would see if you can find a used Ibanez RG8
 
Not too familiar with Harley Benton but I know they’re a cheap brand, I would see if you can find a used Ibanez RG8
They're good. I've got their Jazzmaster Baritone and an Ibanez GIO 7 string. Quality is pretty much same. I can get their 8 string cheaper than any of those RG8's I've seen so far. Plus I usually only see them in White.
 
I just use Shreddage for the low chugging parts lol

that said, your playing, amps, mixing, etc play as much role in making the sound "heavy". This song for example is in drop D, but sounds like it's in lower tuning.

 
If you have a guitar VI or some loops, you could just run those through a Neural DSP plugin with transpose or Helix Native. Just turn everything else off.

Like the guitar patches in Heavyocity Symphonic Destruction, if you have that. I think that would get a good deep sound like a 7 or 8 string gtr. There are also some patches in Omnisphere, that you could run through the guitar plugins.

I don't think it is really achievable with a 6 string guitar, like the others have said, it's about scale length and tension, so if you don't have a 7 or 8 string, you need a long(er) guitar (like a Bari) and fat as* strings - AND the fingers to play it!
 
I have an old Ibanez gax 6 string setup to drop C for this purpose and I get results I'm after once double or even quad tracked if I'm feeling spicy. I have heavy gauge strings on that guitar. Tbh I did want a 7 string for awhile but am so used to 6 and don't have the energy to learn...though I do think a baritone would be a great addition. I recently picked up Nolly Bass from get good drums and just love it.

Bogren Digital is also worth a look as an alternative to Neural DSP. I like the ease/quickness of dialing in tone with the amp knobs. Bogren is also doing cool things with their 'IRDX' technology in an effort to make the amp sim behave like a real amp...such as in the MLC S Zero 100.
 
I figure you could buy an entry level 8 string from Schecter and be done with it.

Couple thoughts:
The lowest string on an 8 string is in bass guitar territory, I often find I avoid that string ( f# ), since I tend to play the same octave on bass, as even a 5 string bass does not have an octave lower equivalent. If the music calls for the guitar to be an octave or more above the bass guitar, that is.

The scale on my 8 string is similar to a 6 string, and I find the tension normal to high on the higher six strings, but a bit floppy on the lower two, especially the lowest string.

A seven string guitar makes alot of sense, and the low B is really useful. The lowest string ( F# ) seems to want a different amp setting, and while I sometimes use notes below B, I don’t go too far below.

You gotta adjust to playing an 8 string, and the lower strings being heavier gauge require an adjustment, especially to keep the tuning accurate.

Clean amp settings and playing, however are another thing altogether, and the low F# string and the resulting chords available with the 8 strings brings a whole new sonic territory to your musical arsenal. For that reason, I suggest making sure the pickups can give you decent clean sounds. I strangely prefer passive pickups to active ones, especially EMG’s. The EMG’s are great for distortion but I felt the passive had more tonal ranges, even if not as hot output.

An actual baritone guitar with B as the lowest note will have a longer scale, and this is also an option to an 8 string. You could experiment with string gauges that get you that low F# and see if the tension is better than a shorter scale 8 string guitar. Assuming that lowest F# is what you are after. There is also that fender bass that could do the same thing.

Finally, as a writing tool, an 8 string guitar is a great tool to have, even an entry level new guitar.
 
A little copium hope for the guitars that suffer short-scale-syndrome:




Personally I got a 29.4 inch guitar that leaves you more room to downtune. Like.... an octave down if you really want to (not my video, but I have the same Ibanez m80m and I'd recommend it for stuff like this):



NO pitch shifters used in these examples!
 
@NekujaK one thing worth trying before doing anything drastic is to demo some of these pitch shifting plugins if you're mainly just looking to get that down-tuned sound.

Helix Native's poly tune really shines in this 7 semi-tone downtune shootout from drop-D on a six string.

Yes, @KEM it even beats out the transpose function in Neural's Petrucci. :P

 
@NekujaK one thing worth trying before doing anything drastic is to demo some of these pitch shifting plugins if you're mainly just looking to get that down-tuned sound.

Helix Native's poly tune really shines in this 7 semi-tone downtune shootout from drop-D on a six string.

Yes, @KEM it even beats out the transpose function in Neural's Petrucci. :P


Thanks for that! I own TH-U and actually thought it fared quite well in the video shootout, so I'll definitely give it a shot :2thumbs:
 
I had a 50$ telecaster and I mounted a standard 7-strings set (without the higher E): low B, E, A, G, D, B
no problems at all, beside the fact that the guitar was extremely cheap! :D

i have recorded this song with this setup:



(I also have used a 5-strings bass).

now i have sold that guitar and bought a more fancy Charvel, which for now is tuned in drop D and on which I want to mount heavier gauge string to tune in D and then go to drop C.

I tried a 7 string guitar in a shop and having one string more it completely changed my view of the neck, so it was not easy at all to play! :)

I have also the eventide quadravox pitch shifter, got for free during some promotion. It works really well, but i had to play with headphones or at very high volume to avoid the "disturbance" of the original sounds coming from the "normal" strings.
 
The lowest string on an 8 string is in bass guitar territory, I often find I avoid that string ( f# ), since I tend to play the same octave on bass, as even a 5 string bass does not have an octave lower equivalent.
There is no need to do this, it's fine if guitar and bass are in unison because their tone is shaped differently, so you end up with one huge homogeous attack of a sound.

So, for downtuning:

1. Scale length is of utmost importance
2. Fanned frets are better than straight frets because tension between different strings ends up being in the same ballpark (rather than high strings having more tension making them way harder to play than needed)
3. Evertune is your new god if you don't want the pitch to waver based on how hard you pick those low strings
4. PRS Mark Holcomb SVN is one seriously sexy guitar, even if it's not fanned fret nor does it have Evertune

I got a 29.4 inch guitar
:eek::confused:

I never understood why this when they (Meshuggah) could've just gone fanned fret. Oh well...
 
I never understood why this when they (Meshuggah) could've just gone fanned fret. Oh well...
I also have a fanned fret 8-string and for the playability I have no clear preference, but I find it looks a bit jarring to have a fanned fret guitar on the wall next to regular ones. The m80m has (so far from what I've played) my favorite type of bridge, and I'm not sure if those are available for fanned fret designs. I could see that being part of the reasoning for straight frets.

I never played an evertune bridge. Only heard good things but I like to experiment with different tunings, and I'm not sure whether they would make that more cumbersome. If I ever buy another guitar it likely would have an evertune bridge, to see what it's like.

But I'm super happy with the m80m, there is a real chance I won't buy another guitar. I've had it for a couple of years and I feel zero GAS for guitars. Almost would say the chance is higher I'd build one myself, because I always wanted to do that.
 
Humbuckers or Single coil, real Baritone or drop-D … I would not take any of that to serious unless you are a purist. If you need to mimick some modern metal stuff for a project, then any electric guitar combined with the right pickup settings, guitar effects and processing will get you 95% there. Sure: if you want a hundred percent, you’ll probably end up with a collection of at least 10 electric guitars, several amps, a mic collection, preamps … but that is only for this who mainly deal with that kind of music. As a media composer, probably you are not. As a hobbyist, you will probably decide based upon budget.
 
I never played an evertune bridge. Only heard good things but I like to experiment with different tunings, and I'm not sure whether they would make that more cumbersome.
It's not too difficult to retune things with an Evertune, but you do need to take care about tension range which saddles support - this governs how low you can go and with which string gauge.
 
I just use Shreddage for the low chugging parts lol

that said, your playing, amps, mixing, etc play as much role in making the sound "heavy". This song for example is in drop D, but sounds like it's in lower tuning.



Never in my life did I expect to see TDWP on here unless I was the one posting it lol

This band and this album changed my life, I met Joey Sturgis at NAMM and talked to him about TDWP and he said this was his favorite album he did with them. I’m about to go listen to this front to back
 
Never in my life did I expect to see TDWP on here unless I was the one posting it lol

This band and this album changed my life, I met Joey Sturgis at NAMM and talked to him about TDWP and he said this was his favorite album he did with them. I’m about to go listen to this front to back
I actually didn't know anything about them until I accidentally came across this song and it became my go-to reference for "old song with modern tone" lol. It's amazing how djent-y this sound.
 
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