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Berlin Studio 1.2 release and trial version available

Montisquirrel said:
The intro price ends tomorrow, right? What will be the new price tag?
I would love to dive deeper into the plugin, its a little sad that there is no manual yet or some tutorials (or is there anything?)

I am using the trial version right now. So it is clear how to use it on classical orchestra seating, but what about additional instruments like synth, or even a piano?

It sounds good, if you want a huge wet room for your strings, brass and woods, but what about other situations?
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The price remains at €169 until the end of this year.

[Edit] there us currently a Summer Sale, price is €129 until end of August

There will be a maintenance update later today, next on the list is to finish the user manual.

I would not use a phrase like "huge wet room" personally :)
This is from the acoustically "sound" Teldex studio, the size of Abbey Road 1. Do recordings from Teldex and Abbey Road always sound huge and wet to you? ;)

You can change the reverb length per microphone set, as well as the ratio between early reflections and the tail.
 
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Hoping someone could help clarify this:

How do we configure this reverb for Centre stereo image (rather than clicking and selecting various sections panned in the way the GUI shows)?

Is 169 the intro price or has the price already gone up?

Are there any bundled price offerings if we buy multiple products?
 
star.keys said:
Hoping someone could help clarify this:

How do we configure this reverb for Centre stereo image (rather than clicking and selecting various sections panned in the way the GUI shows)?
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Any symmetric position preset can be used, but maybe I do not understand the question.
The selectable "positions/locations" are the source locations used in the sampling of the Teldex acoustics. There are no calculated interpolations between these locations, the differences between them are already quite subtle, imho.

star.keys said:
Is 169 the intro price or has the price already gone up?
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There is no intro offer, 169 is the regular price.

star.keys said:
Are there any bundled price offerings if we buy multiple products?
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The Gemini plugins are currently on sale (until end of July), there is not yet a bundle for all three plugins.
 
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Peter Roos said:
The price remains at € 169 until the end of this year.

There will be a maintenance update later today, next on the list is to finish the user manual.

I would not use a phrase like "huge wet room" personally :)
This is from the acoustically "sound" Teldex studio, the size of Abbey Road 1. Do recordings from Teldex and Abbey Road always sound huge and wet to you? ;)

You can change the reverb length per microphone set, as well as the ratio between early reflections and the tail.
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Thanks for the answer. You said the price will go up on July 15th on page 3 of this thread, thats why I was asking.

And yes, maybe my words where not used wisely. Anyway, honestly I dont care so much about the sound of a specific room. I never chose a sample library because of its recording stage. And I am testing Berlin Studio not because of Teldex, but because of helping me to improve my workflow ;)
 
Peter Roos said:
Any symmetric position preset can be used, but maybe I do not understand the question.
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That's something I wanted to ask for a while: how is Berlin Studio intended to be used on a "generic" ensemble recording that is rather close miked but has some room and positioning information of the various instruments baked in and therefore doesn't need to be repositioned but just brought into the Teldex acoustics? An example would be a recording of a string ensemble in a rather dry studio or a mock-up of something like Hollywood Strings or LA Scoring Strings. You say "any symmetric position preset can be used" but for my taste the front position is way too wide and results in a hole in the center and the middle position (don't remember how it's called exactly) is already a bit too far away... or in other words: how to achieve the Berlin Studio equivalent to Altiverb's Teldex 5m center position?
 
leonardo said:
That's something I wanted to ask for a while: how is Berlin Studio intended to be used on a "generic" ensemble recording that is rather close miked but has some room and positioning information of the various instruments baked in and therefore doesn't need to be repositioned but just brought into the Teldex acoustics? An example would be a recording of a string ensemble in a rather dry studio or a mock-up of something like Hollywood Strings or LA Scoring Strings. You say "any symmetric position preset can be used" but for my taste the front position is way too wide and results in a hole in the center and the middle position (don't remember how it's called exactly) is already a bit too far away... or in other words: how to achieve the Berlin Studio equivalent to Altiverb's Teldex 5m center position?
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Have you experimented with the demo version? And do you find that the result sounds too wide?
That puzzles me.

For signals / sounds coming from the around the center, it should not matter much if the original monitors were positioned rather wide. At least, in my interpretation from how IRs and convolution mapping works.

Does the reverb / tail sound too wide? Have you tried tweaking its width by using the M/S controls per microphone channel?

If the "positioned" source instruments sound too wide, have you experimented with the stereo panning in the source signal?

On the front-wide preset: it was recorded practically underneath/behind the Decca and A/B mics. I would go for the mid-wide or woodwinds presets.
 
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I have bought Berlin Studio right in the beginning and have had great results for positioning single instruments using the various positions, it sounds absolutely great! But for the use-case I described above I haven't found a satisfying solution unfortunately... but I have to admit that I haven't tried the M/S controls yet, thanks for the tip!
Yes, I find that using the front stage position thins out the center of the panorama and puts the energy to the sides (I use BS as an insert). This happens for example when I try to bring Hollywood Strings into Teldex (for the rest of the orchestra I use Orchestral Tools libraries that are recorded in Teldex): I haven't yet found a satisfying setting for this within Berlin Studio and therefore still use Altiverb with their Teldex IR. I have premixed the source signal, i.e. HS, and its stereo panaroma is absolutely fine and sounds like it should, in fact when I use Altiverb or Spaces or any other reverb the stereo panorama doesn't really get altered and it still sounds fine after the reverb. But Altiverb's Teldex IR's don't sound as clean and 3D as Berlin Studio so that's why I'd like to replace it with Berlin Studio... but I'll try the M/S controls, thank you!
 
Just purchased this yesterday. Really really nice. Having a brain glitch with the Surround mics though as being a guitarist at heart I have a tendency to wash too much reverb in which I then later regret. Should the Surrounds be used sparingly i.e. with the fader well below zero usually?
I know I should trust my ears but I quickly fall into my default Martin Hannett territory lol
Also, if I'm using the BS as a Send rather than as an Insert I should set the Source fader at -inf toch?
Looking forward to the manual lol
 
wrathofmaitreya said:
Just purchased this yesterday. Really really nice. Having a brain glitch with the Surround mics though as being a guitarist at heart I have a tendency to wash too much reverb in which I then later regret. Should the Surrounds be used sparingly i.e. with the fader well below zero usually?
I know I should trust my ears but I quickly fall into my default Martin Hannett territory lol
Also, if I'm using the BS as a Send rather than as an Insert I should set the Source fader at -inf toch?
Looking forward to the manual lol
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Like you said, trust your ears. It depends so much on other creative decisions that you are making...

When used in a channel that you Send to, indeed pull the Source fader all the way down.
 
I just want to give props for the latest performance update. Berlin studio running native apple silicon in cubase is extremely efficient. I have gone from running it sparingly on a few group tracks when needed to now just throwing it straight onto the instrument tracks themselves as the need arises with practically no noticeable increase in cpu per instance. Excellent update.
 
Kslovelace said:
I just want to give props for the latest performance update. Berlin studio running native apple silicon in cubase is extremely efficient. I have gone from running it sparingly on a few group tracks when needed to now just throwing it straight onto the instrument tracks themselves as the need arises with practically no noticeable increase in cpu per instance. Excellent update.
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Thank you, much appreciated! :)
 
@Peter Roos Is there a way to use this plugin as a normal reverb insert? Meaning, if I alreadu have a placement tool and just want this to handle reverb and do no placement. How would I configure Berlin Studio to do that?

Thanks!
 
maestro2be said:
@Peter Roos Is there a way to use this plugin as a normal reverb insert? Meaning, if I alreadu have a placement tool and just want this to handle reverb and do no placement. How would I configure Berlin Studio to do that?

Thanks!
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Hi,

Berlin Studio is in the first place "just" a reverb plugin, you can compare it to other reverbs with a "hall" preset selected. There is nothing special added for positioning, or placing sources / instruments.

The way the Teldex acoustics were captured - with the main mic sets also used for recording orchestral instruments - makes it a great tool for working with sampled and virtual instruments. But I have also heard mixes with distorted guitar amps, synths, etc that sound equally great, just like with other good reverbs.

As an Insert effect use the plugin's Source channel for controlling the dry / wet ratio. If you use it as a Send effect, pull the Source fader all the way down (silent), for the full wet signal typically required in a Send route.

If what you call "placement" refers to the early reflections, you can control their amount in the microphone channels.

I would start with all the controls in their default state (User preset's menu: Reset) and first adjust the level of the dry Source relative to the (wet) microphone levels.

Can you share what your "placement tool" is and how you use it?
Do some experiments of bypassing it and using Berlin Studio to check what it does to your source materials.
 
Is there really no user manual for Berlin Studio yet? I'm looking on the Samplicity website and I don't see it in the downloads section (or anywhere).
 
Just a general question:

I have a dry snare drum with Berlin Studio applied. When working with the mic positions, is it best to use them as if I'm mixing an Orchestral Tools library? I know that OT aren't the creators of this plugin, so it wouldn't be 1:1 the same, but is it still best?

When I use Teldex-recorded percussion from OT, I often use the A/B mic with a hint of Close mic. Is Berlin Studio's setup meant to give similar results?


EDIT: also, I'm not a professional so I can't rely on 'using my ears', but is it a good idea to turn down the "decay" knob if I want less room noise in my mix, or does that make the sound unnatural? Is that a good idea if I am using wet libraries?
 
If OT were the creators, it also wouldn't be 1:1 the same - lol 🙃

(because your source signal may contain a certain amount of room/ambience as well)

The acoustics were recorded with the mic setup for an OT library recording session, and I selected the instrument "seat" positions together with Hendrik from OT. So that's pretty close to the "OT" libraries sound :)

I think the A/B channel from Berlin Studio should give a good match. And then, sorry: listen. Play around with adding the other mics at some level. Increase/decrease early reflections. There is no good or bad. Train your ears by comparing with other sources (CDs/recordings) as well.

I do not understand where the room noise that you mention comes from... is the snare recorded with room noise?

I would certainly not use Decay to address something like that. Decay nearly literally "stretches" the studio room. I recommend keeping Decay at its default ( = double click on the knob) for the standard Teldex sound.
 
Peter Roos said:
If OT were the creators, it also wouldn't be 1:1 the same - lol 🙃

(because your source signal may contain a certain amount of room/ambience as well)

The acoustics were recorded with the mic setup for an OT library recording session, and I selected the instrument "seat" positions together with Hendrik from OT. So that's pretty close to the "OT" libraries sound :)

I think the A/B channel from Berlin Studio should give a good match. And then, sorry: listen. Play around with adding the other mics at some level. Increase/decrease early reflections. There is no good or bad. Train your ears by comparing with other sources (CDs/recordings) as well.

I do not understand where the room noise that you mention comes from... is the snare recorded with room noise?

I would certainly not use Decay to address something like that. Decay nearly literally "stretches" the studio room. I recommend keeping Decay at its default ( = double click on the knob) for the standard Teldex sound.
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Peter Roos said:
If OT were the creators, it also wouldn't be 1:1 the same - lol 🙃

(because your source signal may contain a certain amount of room/ambience as well)

The acoustics were recorded with the mic setup for an OT library recording session, and I selected the instrument "seat" positions together with Hendrik from OT. So that's pretty close to the "OT" libraries sound :)

I think the A/B channel from Berlin Studio should give a good match. And then, sorry: listen. Play around with adding the other mics at some level. Increase/decrease early reflections. There is no good or bad. Train your ears by comparing with other sources (CDs/recordings) as well.

I do not understand where the room noise that you mention comes from... is the snare recorded with room noise?

I would certainly not use Decay to address something like that. Decay nearly literally "stretches" the studio room. I recommend keeping Decay at its default ( = double click on the knob) for the standard Teldex sound.
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Thank you! And no, I just meant “reduce room noise” from Berlin Studio (if that’s the correct term). The snare itself is dry.
 
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