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i want to get a plugin that I could try as a final polish on the master, but not sure which one.

I already have Mixcentric and thought the god particle (and mixing into it) sounds interesting. Would that one make the other plugins more or less useless, cause it kind of (also) does the same thing?

Teote sounds interesting too (I prefer this over Gullfoss I think).

Or do you think it makes sense to combine (some of) them?

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(Linked you cause I saw you use it 👩‍💻)



Edit: I just found out about AI Master from Exonic. So much stuff that sounds cool and I’m really overwhelmed.

What would be your advice to a hobby musician who can mix a track pretty alright (I’d say) to get the best sound possible with such new tools (No perfect room and no perfect hearing anymore) ?
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I've used MixCentric and Teote on the master bus (one or the other, never together). When my mixes are are good, these plugins barely do anything, which is the goal. When my mixes are out of balance or less than optimal, these plugins basically act like bandaids, correcting some of the more eggregious problems, but they won't completely fix a bad mix.

IMHO, MixCentric is not ideal for orchestral or acoustic-based music because it tends to have a very over-compressed sound that squeezes the life out of natural instruments. It's a better fit for pop, rock, hip hop, etc. But it really depends on the sound you're after.

Teote simply balances the frequency spectrum, and can be as aggressive or gentle as needed, with plenty of fine-tuning options. But as I mentioned above, if a mix is good to begin with, then Teote will barely need to do anything. Ideally, Teote simply flatlines while your mix plays through it.

Haven't used God Particle.

I love Sie-Q, but not necessarily on the master bus. I find it's more useful on instrument buses or individual instrument tracks. It's a beautifully musical EQ.

To add "polish" to a master, I would consider saturation plugins, like Aroma, The Oven, Saturn, Black Box HG, Ozone, and others. Used judiciously, sturation can add sparkle and depth to an already good mix.
 
NekujaK said:
I've used MixCentric and Teote on the master bus (one or the other, never together). When my mixes are are good, these plugins barely do anything, which is the goal. When my mixes are out of balance or less than optimal, these plugins basically act like bandaids, correcting some of the more eggregious problems, but they won't completely fix a bad mix.

IMHO, MixCentric is not ideal for orchestral or acoustic-based music because it tends to have a very over-compressed sound that squeezes the life out of natural instruments. It's a better fit for pop, rock, hip hop, etc. But it really depends on the sound you're after.

Teote simply balances the frequency spectrum, and can be as aggressive or gentle as needed, with plenty of fine-tuning options. But as I mentioned above, if a mix is good to begin with, then Teote will barely need to do anything. Ideally, Teote simply flatlines while your mix plays through it.

Haven't used God Particle.

I love Sie-Q, but not necessarily on the master bus. I find it's more useful on instrument buses or individual instrument tracks. It's a beautifully musical EQ.

To add "polish" to a master, I would consider saturation plugins, like Aroma, The Oven, Saturn, Black Box HG, Ozone, and others. Used judiciously, sturation can add sparkle and depth to an already good mix.
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Cool, thx.
I make Rap music btw.

So when would you say does it more sense to add mixcentric over teote and the other way around?


Saturation: I have Cubase pro , so quaddrofuzz is a multiband saturation plugin in there. Also have decapitator and kramer tape.
Any advice on how to use it on the master bus?
 
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Hockey1 said:
Cool, thx.
I make Rap music btw.

So when would you say does it more sense to add mixcentric over teote and the other way around?


Saturation: I have Cubase pro , so quaddrofuzz is a multiband saturation plugin in there. Also habe decapitator and kramer tape.
Any advice on how to use it on the master bus?
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It sounds like you have enough tools at your disposal, so I would simply say use your ears to find what sounds best to you. Experiment with the plugins to learn what they're capable of, then see what sounds best on your mixes.

In terms of saturation, if you go to the Saturn page on the FabFilter website, they have (or at least used to have) a really good video that explained what saturation actually does to the sound and gave lots of practical examples. I highly recommend watching it to get an idea of how to use saturation effectively.
 
NekujaK said:
It sounds like you have enough tools at your disposal, so I would simply say use your ears to find what sounds best to you. Experiment with the plugins to learn what they're capable of, then see what sounds best on your mixes.

In terms of saturation, if you go to the Saturn page on the FabFilter website, they have (or at least used to have) a really good video that explained what saturation actually does to the sound and gave lots of practical examples. I highly recommend watching it to get an idea of how to use saturation effectively.
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Great, will watch!
 
I'd highly encourage you to learn some basics about mixing. Mixing with Mike has sales now and then and is worth the $10 or $20 - knowledge lasts a lot longer than tools. Reading one of the popular books about mixing is also worthwhile.

(not saying don't use these all in one type tools, just that it would help to know some fundamentals)
 
The God Particle does have a demo so it’s worth trying, I wouldn’t throw it on something that you’ve already been working on, instead start a new mix with it and then turn it off once you’re done and hear the difference it makes. If you make rap music then The God Particle will be perfect for you
 
I think you want to polish your music so that as many listeners as possible will like it. If you think you can use any tool and run it through your mix and be fine, then I'm sorry to disappoint you. It will never work that way.
That would be like throwing ketchup all over your food. If you love ketchup, it might work fine, but if you throw ketchup over the chocolate cake, it's not right for the ketchup lover either.

As mentioned above, it would make more sense to compare your mixes to good mixes from your genre to find out what your mix is still missing and then add the "missing" to the mix. This can of course be one of the effects you listed - but certainly not simply in general. Also here you do it like in the kitchen, you add a little more salt or refine with a special spice, but certainly not simply always with ketchup (by the way, nothing against ketchup ;).

If you don't trust yourself to judge and compare your mixes, you might find a few (here?) who have heard your mixes with different ears than you. If the "foreign" listeners give you feedbacks, you have at least some hints where your mix tends to...

Beat
 
Beat Kaufmann said:
I think you want to polish your music so that as many listeners as possible will like it. If you think you can use any tool and run it through your mix and be fine, then I'm sorry to disappoint you. It will never work that way.
That would be like throwing ketchup all over your food. If you love ketchup, it might work fine, but if you throw ketchup over the chocolate cake, it's not right for the ketchup lover either.

As mentioned above, it would make more sense to compare your mixes to good mixes from your genre to find out what your mix is still missing and then add the "missing" to the mix. This can of course be one of the effects you listed - but certainly not simply in general. Also here you do it like in the kitchen, you add a little more salt or refine with a special spice, but certainly not simply always with ketchup (by the way, nothing against ketchup ;).

If you don't trust yourself to judge and compare your mixes, you might find a few (here?) who have heard your mixes with different ears than you. If the "foreign" listeners give you feedbacks, you have at least some hints where your mix tends to...

Beat
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Yea, or maybe even change the ingredients altogether. A good track doesn't even need mixing. To exaggerate it a bit.
 
NekujaK said:
I've used MixCentric and Teote on the master bus (one or the other, never together). When my mixes are are good, these plugins barely do anything, which is the goal. When my mixes are out of balance or less than optimal, these plugins basically act like bandaids, correcting some of the more eggregious problems, but they won't completely fix a bad mix.

IMHO, MixCentric is not ideal for orchestral or acoustic-based music because it tends to have a very over-compressed sound that squeezes the life out of natural instruments. It's a better fit for pop, rock, hip hop, etc. But it really depends on the sound you're after.

Teote simply balances the frequency spectrum, and can be as aggressive or gentle as needed, with plenty of fine-tuning options. But as I mentioned above, if a mix is good to begin with, then Teote will barely need to do anything. Ideally, Teote simply flatlines while your mix plays through it.

Haven't used God Particle.

I love Sie-Q, but not necessarily on the master bus. I find it's more useful on instrument buses or individual instrument tracks. It's a beautifully musical EQ.

To add "polish" to a master, I would consider saturation plugins, like Aroma, The Oven, Saturn, Black Box HG, Ozone, and others. Used judiciously, sturation can add sparkle and depth to an already good mix.
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Hey! I just demoed Teote and what confuses me is how you handle the loudness that it adds when you just turn a bit of the fx in?

When I just add 25 to 40 % it clips heavy. Is there something like a „unity“ knob or do you just turn the output down when it starts clipping?
 
Hockey1 said:
Hey! I just demoed Teote and what confuses me is how you handle the loudness that it adds when you just turn a bit of the fx in?

When I just add 25 to 40 % it clips heavy. Is there something like a „unity“ knob or do you just turn the output down when it starts clipping?
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Hmmmm... I've never noticed a significant boost in volume with the plugin. Some of the presets set the output volume knob, but I've never had to adjust it.

I usually use the Remastering or Rebalance Controlled presets, and just adjust the FX knob to taste, and sometimes adjust the active frequency range (Apply To Range), but I've never had to tweak volume.

Is your signal coming in really hot into the plugin?
 
NekujaK said:
Hmmmm... I've never noticed a significant boost in volume with the plugin. Some of the presets set the output volume knob, but I've never had to adjust it.

I usually use the Remastering or Rebalance Controlled presets, and just adjust the FX knob to taste, and sometimes adjust the active frequency range (Apply To Range), but I've never had to tweak volume.

Is your signal coming in really hot into the plugin?
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I have to check this again tomorrow when I’m back home. Good question, but it was distorting after only about 40 %.
I will check and let you know.
 
NekujaK said:
Hmmmm... I've never noticed a significant boost in volume with the plugin. Some of the presets set the output volume knob, but I've never had to adjust it.

I usually use the Remastering or Rebalance Controlled presets, and just adjust the FX knob to taste, and sometimes adjust the active frequency range (Apply To Range), but I've never had to tweak volume.

Is your signal coming in really hot into the plugin?
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I think the problem was that I had it after god particle, even I didn’t touch the limiter in it
 
Hockey1 said:
I think the problem was that I had it after god particle, even I didn’t touch the limiter in it
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Makes sense. However, if you're using God Particle, I'm not sure Teote is really needed. But I don't have any experience with God Particle, so don't know if they're doing the same thing. In general, it's best to use as little processing on the mix bus as possible.
 
Hockey1 said:
Hey! I just demoed Teote and what confuses me is how you handle the loudness that it adds when you just turn a bit of the fx in?

When I just add 25 to 40 % it clips heavy. Is there something like a „unity“ knob or do you just turn the output down when it starts clipping?
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Check how much boost you're allowing it to apply. (I always have boost at 0 and only let it cut.)
 
Beat Kaufmann said:
I think you want to polish your music so that as many listeners as possible will like it. If you think you can use any tool and run it through your mix and be fine, then I'm sorry to disappoint you. It will never work that way.
That would be like throwing ketchup all over your food. If you love ketchup, it might work fine, but if you throw ketchup over the chocolate cake, it's not right for the ketchup lover either.

As mentioned above, it would make more sense to compare your mixes to good mixes from your genre to find out what your mix is still missing and then add the "missing" to the mix. This can of course be one of the effects you listed - but certainly not simply in general. Also here you do it like in the kitchen, you add a little more salt or refine with a special spice, but certainly not simply always with ketchup (by the way, nothing against ketchup ;).

If you don't trust yourself to judge and compare your mixes, you might find a few (here?) who have heard your mixes with different ears than you. If the "foreign" listeners give you feedbacks, you have at least some hints where your mix tends to...

Beat
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To add to this there are tools that can help with A/B-ing your music with a reference source (e.g. an album you want to sound similar to) Metric A/B is one of these tools.

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/adptr_metricab.html

It's often available for around 30 bucks on sale.
 
Hockey1 said:
Thanks! Interesting! Why are you doing this?
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I think it starts to sound artificial very quickly when allowed to boost frequencies by more than 1.5dB or so. But using it only to cut (with FX only at around 20-25% or so) tightens and clarifies the sound very nicely to my ears.
 
NekujaK said:
Makes sense. However, if you're using God Particle, I'm not sure Teote is really needed. But I don't have any experience with God Particle, so don't know if they're doing the same thing. In general, it's best to use as little processing on the mix bus as possible.
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I read quite often here on the forum that its best use is on individual mix busses, with deactivated limiter. Especially for orchestral samples and because it's designed as a mixing plugin, not fot mastering. Will try the demo and perhapd buy it for black friday - I don't like the name of this plugin nor their overhyped marketing, but throwing that sort of quick good sauce onto individual tracks makes me think like this could be quite a time saver when facing tight deadlines.
 
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