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Francis Bourre

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Hello! I'm discussing with IKMultimedia support about an issue I got with Pianoverse on C5.
They're telling me they can't hear it, they just hear a normal note with the piano hammer.
On my side I can hear an unnatural transient with lack of harmonics which makes the key unusable.
I put an audio file with the guilty C5 and alternated with a D5 to have a context for doing a comparison.
I don't try to get a consensus to feel better but some honest feedback. I'm suffering some hearing issues, so maybe it's part of the root cause.
Thanks in advance for your help.

PS: Fyi, (for Pianoverse users or future users) it happens only with the closed mics on the Steinway.
 

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If it was not enough for deciding, I'm adding 2 files with a performance for comparison.
- One with the guilty C5.
- Another one with normal D5.
 

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Wouldn't call the C5 unusable, but there's definitely something wrong with it, I agree.
Here's another illustration.

There's lots to be said for propriety sample playback software I suppose (although I can't think of much), but if you run into something like this and the developer can't or won't acknowledge the problem, it can get frustrating. In the old days, when most libraries came as fully editable patches, you wouldn't have to bother anyone with an issue like this and you simply replaced the offending sample by remapping one of its neighbours.

What I usually do with little annoyances like these, is to load up a second instance of the software — in this case Pianoverse —, assign all the C5's to that second instance, transpose them one step up or down and then retune Pianoverse one step up or down in the other direction. (Transposing Pianoverse doesn't work as you end up triggering the same (offending) sample as before. You have to use the Tune parameter and slide it all the way to the left or the right to retune it by a semitone.)

But again, unless you have a piano part where the C5 is very present in the dynamic range where the note sounds at its worst, I wouldn't call this a major problem. But certainly a problem.

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Thank you so much for your feedback, and thanks a lot for providing another illustration. I will definitely forward it to the support in my next email.
I think I call it major because every time my finger hits the key my brain focuses on this transient now and I'm just hearing that, so I could be a bit biased. I'm definitely going to try your trick, that's a super cool idea. Thanks again!
Btw, I found other issues I didn't mention in this thread, which I would call minor this time:
- D3 sounds slapped at any velocity, it sounds weird if you play delicately with some notes around in the same octave.
- F#1 release sample got a nasty high harmonic.
Tried the whole library with a subscription and loved the NY Steinway closed mics. Perfect match for my taste. But the C5 was preventing me to buy it. Now, with the trick, I will go for it.
Hopes the upcoming Hamburg one will come without any big defects. :emoji_fingers_crossed:Hopefully, I could subscribe again to test it before buying it.
 
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