I'm tired of all the legato issues in SINE

daviddln said:

Berlin Strings, Berlin Brass, Berlin Strings Special Bows 1&2, Berlin Orchestra - Created With Berklee... All these libraries have legato issues. And some of them (like BSSB) have been out for months and there is still no updates. I like OT libraries but this is really frustrating.

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I recently bought Berlin Strings and so far I don’t have any issues. What issues should I test for?

Jeremy Spencer said:

I recently bought Berlin Strings and so far I don’t have any issues. What issues should I test for?

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Hi
Here are some audio examples from Miroire, Berlin Strings, Berlin Brass, Berlin Strings Special Bows and Berlin Orchestra.
For Berlin Strings, pick the Violas and play the notes E2-G#2-B2 as I did.

Awful

The viola will sound okay in musical context I would expect; I have never noticed it. And after testing my Kontakt versions it is just as gnarly. Those brass transitions however....

daviddln said:

Hi
Here are some audio examples from Berlin Strings, Berlin Brass, Berlin Strings Special Bows and Berlin Orchestra.
For Berlin Strings, pick the Violas and play the notes E2-G#2-B2 as I did.

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That's really horrible. Thank you for posting this. These are expensive libraries. Don't they have quality control in Berlin? Hopefully this post will trigger some reaction from OT.

And yet a one man show in Cinematic Studio Series and a small operation like Audio Imperia, who charge a fraction of the price, can avoid embarrassingly bad issues like this.

@OrchestralTools what’s your excuse for your lack of quality control? It’s bad enough that your libraries are overpriced compared to the market. They should be pristinely QC’d at such a premium price point.

Trash Panda said:

And yet a one man show in Cinematic Studio Series and a small operation like Audio Imperia, who charge a fraction of the price, can avoid embarrassingly bad issues like this.

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Damn... On point tho.

daviddln said:

Hi
Here are some audio examples from Berlin Strings, Berlin Brass, Berlin Strings Special Bows and Berlin Orchestra.
For Berlin Strings, pick the Violas and play the notes E2-G#2-B2 as I did.

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Tested on my end, absolutely brutal....thanks for the heads up. I just bought them, so I’ve requested a refund.
For the price of these, I’m baffled as to how they can get away with this.

Trash Panda said:

And yet a one man show in Cinematic Studio Series and a small operation like Audio Imperia, who charge a fraction of the price, can avoid embarrassingly bad issues like this.

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I wonder if it may actually be easier for a one man show to do quality work. You need fewer products to sustain ongoing costs, you're always the one person responsible for everything, can't hide behind "not my responsibility", and have to make sure every release is brilliant since you can't afford to have a dud in your portfolio if you only release one big product every couple of years. I mean, it's pretty consistent that the one man show devs have better QA than the big companies, isn't it?

I've barely touched my Metropolis Ark 3 that I bought a month ago because all the little inconsistencies and annoyances frustrate me so much.

Jeremy Spencer said:

I just bought them, so I’ve requested a refund.

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Let us know if/when you get it.

Jeremy Spencer said:

Tested on my end, absolutely brutal....thanks for the heads up. I just bought them, so I’ve requested a refund.
For the price of these, I’m baffled as to how they can get away with this.

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Haha don't want to be mean but refund on a digital product you've already downloaded? Don't thinks this is or was ever possible. But if you got a refund let me know.

daviddln said:

Hi
Here are some audio examples from Berlin Strings, Berlin Brass, Berlin Strings Special Bows and Berlin Orchestra.
For Berlin Strings, pick the Violas and play the notes E2-G#2-B2 as I did.

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I just listened to your brass examples...damn! How did that get out the door at OT??

Scripter said:

Haha don't want to be mean but refund on a digital product you've already downloaded? Don't thinks this is or was ever possible. But if you got a refund let me know.

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I probably won’t, but I was reading their 14 day “cancellation policy”. It doesn’t mention anything about downloading.

Trash Panda said:

And yet a one man show in Cinematic Studio Series and a small operation like Audio Imperia, who charge a fraction of the price, can avoid embarrassingly bad issues like this.

@OrchestralTools what’s your excuse for your lack of quality control? It’s bad enough that your libraries are overpriced compared to the market. They should be pristinely QC’d at such a premium price point.

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Well to be fair, afaik Orchestral Tools is also a small team operation. Doesn't mean I don't agree with you, especially considering how expensive OT products are.

Don't know what OT is doing recently... Actually have some really good products especially the Arks but the functionality with SINE is just ...

Jeremy Spencer said:

I probably won’t, but I was reading their 14 day “cancellation policy”. It doesn’t mention anything about downloading.

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Hm that's right but as I think that's already regulated by the normal laws of your country. But of course I would be really happy for you. .)

what amazed me, is that the viola thing is something i've never heard of before on vic.
Seems, it's not that bad in context for people to notice? (or nobody uses it with E2-G#2-B2? )

If it's also in the kontakt version (which is years old now) as some here confirmed, why isn't this been fixed in those years?

RogiervG said:

what amazed me, is that the viola thing is something i've never heard of before on vic.
Seems, it's not that bad in context for people to notice? (or nobody uses it with E2-G#2-B2? )

If it's also in the kontakt version (which is years old now) as some here confirmed, why isn't this been fixed in those years? jaw drop....

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Really don't know. Guess the people aren't on VI haha. Just joking but this is strange indeed.

Why I doesn't get fixed = to less complains and the library get's bought anyways. ;9

Never mind the god awful UI of SINE, but man those examples are brutal.

I was actually eyeing some of OT's stuff, I'll stay well clear. Thanks for the heads up!

I was considering to buy BS Special Bows, but having heard these examples, I prefer to wait until they are fixed.