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Looking for Michael Giacchino MIDI files, especially Jupiter Ascending

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General_Disarray

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For some reason most people hated Jupiter Ascending. I think it's a hell of a movie, but even better, one of the best scores of all time by Michael Giacchino. Most people probably don't even know it because they hated the movie. But I love it and it's one of my most played albums.

Google hasn't given me any satisfaction on this, so I'm posting here in the remote case that somebody knows where I can find some Giacchino MIDIs that are at least decent enough to fix. Not just Jupiter, any Giacchino MIDIs.
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Wow, I remember walking out of the cinema about 20 mins into this along with everyone else there, and I think it was Leicester Sq or one of the other big London ones so tickets weren’t cheap!

Had no idea the score was a good one, will have to re-listen. Just commenting to say I don’t think it’s legal to either offer or download full MIDI files from Giacchino’s stuff (free or paid) as it’s still very much in copyright… otherwise I’d try and make lots of money from my Incredibles mock-up :)
 
Simon Passmore said:
Had no idea the score was a good one, will have to re-listen. Just commenting to say I don’t think it’s legal to either offer or download full MIDI files from Giacchino’s stuff (free or paid) as it’s still very much in copyright… otherwise I’d try and make lots of money from my Incredibles mock-up :)
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I'm pretty sure these MIDI files and even Cubase projects fall under the fair use thing in copyright law. One thing is all the websites with archaic designs where you can download MIDIs done by who knows who, but I really doubt a company like VSL would risk a pile a lawsuits when they offer dozens of MIDI files free to download to anyone who wants them, and we're talking about lots of John Williams ones, even a Giacchino Cubase project (a song from "Up").

Now, I would guess that if you grab that song that you downloaded as a learning tool (that would be the fair use), and then you change it up a bit and sell it, then yes, they can sue you for all you have.

But even if you publish it as a tutorial for others to learn MIDI programming and VSTis, that's fair use. Otherwise Ashton Gleckman would've lost everything he has with his massive pile of MIDI files and YouTube tutorials.:emoji_grimacing:
 
Oh right! Definitely 100% legal to upload and publish? I assumed VSL would have just obtained permission from the copyright holders...

Surprised Ashton hasn't done any Giacchino stuff, why not drop him a message? Now that I know it's okay I'll upload the MIDI for The Incredibles at some point in the near future as well.
 
Simon Passmore said:
Oh right! Definitely 100% legal to upload and publish? I assumed VSL would have just obtained permission from the copyright holders...
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Well, obtaining permission is hardly enough, these things cost money, and lots of it. If VSL had to negotiate rights to use all the songs which they have published on MIDI and Cubase, not to mention that you can actually play on their website, it would've cost much more than they have. I think I read from time to time how much it costs to have a popular song in a movie, and it gets to 6 figures often depending on the song. And VSL has about 50 or more, that is the ones that they published the MIDI and Cubase files for, but they have well over a hundred that they did the mockups for and everybody can enjoy. For those of you who don't know the site, here it is: https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Music

Now, interestingly enough, the only Giacchino song that was featured there until a few days ago seems to have disappeared. Doesn't mean anything, but I wonder why. I know it was there because I remember it at the very top and I downloaded it along with lots of others.

Simon Passmore said:
Surprised Ashton hasn't done any Giacchino stuff, why not drop him a message?
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I doubt he would have any time for doing any mockups that he doesn't really want to. I assume he has a very busy life.

Simon Passmore said:
Now that I know it's okay I'll upload the MIDI for The Incredibles at some point in the near future as well.
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Everybody call the FBI!! :dancer:

Yeah, you definitely should.
 
General_Disarray said:
Yeah, you definitely should.
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Just to be clear, in this I wasn't actually joking, I think it would be a great idea for you to upload it. For people like me, who are trying to learn all this stuff, having these MIDI mockups to learn from, or even better, Cubase projects, is an amazing thing.

Even more, it's not just mockups done by regular talented musicians, sometimes we even get the chance to play with the same project that was used by a successful Hollywood composer, like the ones that Lorne Balfe posted online until 2020 or so. I couldn't believe when a song from one of my favorite scores, Mission Impossible Fallout, was right there all this time in both MIDI and Cubase. I grabbed it a week ago and have spent hours every day working on it, since obviously he owns different libraries than I do, and I wasn't going to spend thousands on them.

But I imported the song from the CD into the project, and it matched perfectly with the MIDI notes in the projects. So replacing most of his instruments (I only had HZ Percussion I think) with mine, and having to basically rework the project from scratch with the exception of the notes played, because MOD and EXP automation is not going to be the same for some Spitfire library than it is for VSL, and Percussion libraries don't have any standards, so the same notes will sound different on all of them.

So having to listen to the same 10 seconds or so over and over, track by track, adjusting MOD, EXP, this and that, all trying to get it as close to the original as possible, was a huge learning experience for me, and I'm sure for many others.

So for those of you who know how to do mockups well, even if they're not perfect, please keep them coming. Just remember to name your tracks properly according to the instrument and/or preset. :)
 
Simon Passmore said:
Oh right! Definitely 100% legal to upload and publish? I assumed VSL would have just obtained permission from the copyright holders...

Surprised Ashton hasn't done any Giacchino stuff, why not drop him a message? Now that I know it's okay I'll upload the MIDI for The Incredibles at some point in the near future as well.
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I did MIDI score prep for the Incredibles so I’d be highly interested to find out how you got those.
 
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cseiter said:
I did MIDI score prep for the Incredibles so I’d be highly interested to find out how you got those.
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I could be wrong, but I took his statement to mean he made his own midi file for a mockup, not that he has the original project files. 🤷‍♂️
 
Simon Passmore said:
That's amazing! Yep as mentioned above it's just my own version. Do you mind if I send you a DM with a few questions about your role?

Here's the mock-up:

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Man, that sounds amazing, and I never listened to the original, but this definitely sounds like a well produced song I would listen to in a soundtrack CD. Looks super complicated too. Hats off, man!
 
General_Disarray said:
Well, obtaining permission is hardly enough, these things cost money, and lots of it. If VSL had to negotiate rights to use all the songs which they have published on MIDI and Cubase, not to mention that you can actually play on their website, it would've cost much more than they have. I think I read from time to time how much it costs to have a popular song in a movie, and it gets to 6 figures often depending on the song. And VSL has about 50 or more, that is the ones that they published the MIDI and Cubase files for, but they have well over a hundred that they did the mockups for and everybody can enjoy. For those of you who don't know the site, here it is: https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Music
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Sorry for the late reply, I just read your post. I looked at the website and didn’t see any MIDI files there. I did see some Cubase files though.
Did you think they’ve taken them off or did I just got it wrong?
 
Jaaba said:
Sorry for the late reply, I just read your post. I looked at the website and didn’t see any MIDI files there. I did see some Cubase files though.
Did you think they’ve taken them off or did I just got it wrong?
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If they took off the MIDI files? I think some projects have them and some do not.
 
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