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Rant: I"m done with Reverb (the website, not the effect)

Symphonichrome

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I am finally done with Reverb.

I always had great experiences thereon, both buying and selling, except for the past 9 months or so.

I went a little overboard on buying guitars in the past year and 2 of them remained basically unplayed. That being the case, I decided to sell the 2 that had virtually been case queens.

The first one I sold on Reverb about 8 months ago was purchased brand new from Sweetwater just a few months prior. The buyer made an offer and I accepted. I had listed it as free shipping and actually sent it out vie 2-day delivery. The guitar was delivered and, within 15 minutes of receiving the notification of delivery, I received an email from the buyer with a laundry list of “defects” in the guitar. The buyer sent some potato cam photos and I informed them that the guitar did not have any such “defects” when I shipped it. They stated that if I wanted to avoid their making a claim with Reverb that they would accept a partial refund of $500 (the sale price of the guitar was $1999). I declined their proposal and stated I would advise Reverb to expect their claim.

It took a week but, Reverb, based on the fact that I had purchased safe shipping (I believe Reverb actually requires it on sales $1,000 and over), decided to not only allow the buyer to keep the guitar, but, they refunded them their money, and allowed me to keep the money as well. I thought to myself, this does not seem like a good business model for Reverb as well as asking myself whether this was par for the course with Reverb.

Fast forward to couple of weeks ago when I listed the other case queen. The buyer, even though I did not have the make an offer option available, messaged me on Reverb asking if I would go lower. After a few days, we reached an agreement. The buyer though, messaged me to “make sure” I was going to purchase the Reverb safe shipping. I informed them that Reverb required it as the purchased price was over $1,000. That put a thought in my head that the buyer was going to make some claim. Fast forward to yesterday evening when I received a notification that the guitar had been delivered followed by, approximately 10 minutes later, a message from the buyer with a laundry list of issues with the guitar. The buyer stated: “I think these issues arose during shipping”. I informed the buyer that the guitar did not have those issues when I shipped it. I was tempted to tell them how “shocked” I was that they were messaging me about “issues” after they were adamant about my using Reverb safe shipping. However, I held back and responded that the guitar was in mint condition when I shipped it just a couple of days prior. The buyer is now going to make a claim with Reverb.

That leads me to my decision to no longer use Reverb. It just seems to me that even if there is no outright scam going on, that people are abusing the system. I do not want to remain part of a system that rewards doubtful claims by giving buyers their money back and allowing them to keep the guitar. I guess I am old school in that I was raised to honor a deal and not try to work the system. Oh well, old man yells at clouds yet again I suppose.

End of rant. Just be careful out there.
 
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@Symphonichrome

This is extremely weird and disheartening. I rarely sell my gear but living in NYC I have sold through Craigslist or many years ago through the Village Voice which used to have great classified ads. Living in a big city I would only sell gear COD with an person to person exchange,no shipping and basically a final exchange on delivery in a public place.
I know this isn’t practical in many circumstances but this has worked for me.
 
@Symphonichrome

This is extremely weird and disheartening. I rarely sell my gear but living in NYC I have sold through Craigslist or many years ago through the Village Voice which used to have great classified ads. Living in a big city I would only sell gear COD with an in person exchange,no shipping and basically a final exchange on delivery in a public place.
I know this isn’t practical in many circumstances but this has worked for me.

Yeah I will have to do that as well, but, meeting in person from CL these days is not appealing either.

From now on, I will just sell to Guitar Center. Sure, the amount received will be about 50% of what I might get on Reverb but, it is cash in hand and the deal is done = no waiting for the proverbial other shoe to drop.
 
I feel bad for you.

Unfortunately, the ridiculously overly permissive return policies that almost all online retailers offer now, have permeated the public so thoroughly that people see it as their birthright, even when it comes to dealing with average Joe, non-retail, private seller on the second hand market.
 
I feel bad for you.

Unfortunately, the ridiculously overly permissive return policies that almost all online retailers offer now, have permeated the public so thoroughly that people see it as their birthright, even when it comes to dealing with average Joe, non-retail, private seller on the second hand market.
Exactly, they think private sellers are Amazon
 
I've sold on eBay, Reverb, Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, etc. and worked retail for 20+ years. We all need to get rid of stuff time to time and even recoup some of our money. Scams are out there. Just do whatever you can to protect yourself.
 
I've sold on eBay, Reverb, Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, etc. and worked retail for 20+ years. We all need to get rid of stuff time to time and even recoup some of our money. Scams are out there. Just do whatever you can to protect yourself.
It's hard to protect yourself when the scam is to pay for the item but then scam Reverb into a refund plus being allowed to keep the item -- although Reverb allowed me to keep the money on my end, I do not want to be part of that type of system -- no wonder Reverb fees keep increasing
 
It's hard to protect yourself when the scam is to pay for the item but then scam Reverb into a refund plus being allowed to keep the item -- although Reverb allowed me to keep the money on my end, I do not want to be part of that type of system -- no wonder Reverb fees keep increasing
Well that's their decision, you still have your money and wasn't forced to give it back. That's what I meant not do so that the website and you aren't cheated.
 
I have a vintage drumset,Radio Kings(Slingerland) from the 1940’s they have been modified with some hardware enhancements. Due to the age about 80+ years and nature of this kind of kit it would never be considered perfect by any means except to a drum nut collector like myself. They are funky holy grail drums that simply sound amazing! Years ago Steve Gadd’s drum tech was trying to get me to sell him the bass drum,I wouldn’t break up the kit as you could never find a suitable replacement.
I have wanted to sell for a while but considering all of the complications and the size and weight of the drumset I have never been able to figure out a way to get this done successfully,
I would never consider Reverb or Craigslist for this,most people looking for used gear couldn’t comprehend what this drumset is.
 
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I am finally done with Reverb.

I always had great experiences thereon, both buying and selling, except for the past 9 months or so.

I went a little overboard on buying guitars in the past year and 2 of them remained basically unplayed. That being the case, I decided to sell the 2 that had virtually been case queens.

The first one I sold on Reverb about 8 months ago was purchased brand new from Sweetwater just a few months prior. The buyer made an offer and I accepted. I had listed it as free shipping and actually sent it out vie 2-day delivery. The guitar was delivered and, within 15 minutes of receiving the notification of delivery, I received an email from the buyer with a laundry list of “defects” in the guitar. The buyer sent some potato cam photos and I informed them that the guitar did not have any such “defects” when I shipped it. They stated that if I wanted to avoid their making a claim with Reverb that they would accept a partial refund of $500 (the sale price of the guitar was $1999). I declined their proposal and stated I would advise Reverb to expect their claim.

It took a week but, Reverb, based on the fact that I had purchased safe shipping (I believe Reverb actually requires it on sales $1,000 and over), decided to not only allow the buyer to keep the guitar, but, they refunded them their money, and allowed me to keep the money as well. I thought to myself, this does not seem like a good business model for Reverb as well as asking myself whether this was par for the course with Reverb.

Fast forward to couple of weeks when I listed the other case queen. The buyer, even though I did not have the make an offer option available, messaged me on Reverb asking if I would go lower. After a few days, we reached an agreement. The buyer though, messaged me to “make sure” I was going to purchase the Reverb safe shipping. I informed them that Reverb required it as the purchased price was over $1,000. That put a thought in my head that the buyer was going to make some claim. Fast forward to yesterday evening when I received a notification that the guitar had been delivered followed by, approximately 10 minutes later, a message from the buyer with a laundry list of issues with the guitar. The buyer stated: “I think these issues arose during shipping”. I informed the buyer that the guitar did not have those issues when I shipped it. I was tempted to tell them how “shocked” I was that they were messaging me about “issues” after they were adamant about my using Reverb safe shipping. However, I held back and responded that the guitar was in mint condition when I shipped it just a couple of days prior. The buyer is now going to make a claim with Reverb.

That leads me to my decision to no longer use Reverb. It just seems to me that even if there is no outright scam going on, that people are abusing the system. I do not want to remain part of a system that rewards doubtful claims by giving buyers their money back and allowing them to keep the guitar. I guess I am old school in that I was raised to honor a deal and not try to work the system. Oh well, old man yells at clouds yet again I suppose.

End of rant. Just be careful out there.
Sad, but getting worse with comparable selling entities. Other large competitor posted Sequential Prophet X ( > $1,000. ) Paid with PayPal /AmExp. Did not receive Prophet X.. Clever, fraudulent Seller ..... shipped very cheap item to my town, used /duplicated Tracking #, which local person received ( and returned to Post Office ). p bey paid Seller and would not refund my cost. (truly believe this was insider deal, which may be spreading (according to U.S. Postal Svc rep in Washington DC).

Almost impossible to reach anyone in authority at p bey, or in U.S. ! Smaller town here and decades interacting with local P.O.. They provided solid documentation of duplicate Tracking #, and verified that no delivery using that number was made to me. p bey refused to escalate claim and stated it could take months to research and resolve.
Provided document copies to American Express, they suspended payment and notified p bey.
P bey advised no further asssistance, on their part, based on my AmExp protest. Sent formal message to p bey, documenting fraudulent behavior, and never received response. Bill cleared with AmExp, and fortunately back to normalcy.

Buyer beware as criminal activity increases exponentially !
 
Sad, but getting worse with comparable selling entities. Other large competitor posted Sequential Prophet X ( > $1,000. ) Paid with PayPal /AmExp. Did not receive Prophet X.. Clever, fraudulent Seller ..... shipped very cheap item to my town, used /duplicated Tracking #, which local person received ( and retuirned to Post Office ). p bey paid Seller and would not refund my cost. (truly believe this was insider deal, which may be spreading (according to U.S. Postal Svc rep in Washington DC).

Almost impossible to reach anyone in authority at p bey, or in U.S. ! Smaller town here and decades interacting with local P.O.. They provided solid documentation of duplicate Tracking #, and verified that no delivery using that number was made to me. p bey refused to escalate claim and stated it could take months to research and resolve.
Provided document copies to American Express, they suspended payment and notified p bey say.
P bey advised no further action based on my AmExp protest. Sent formal p bey message documenting fraudulent behavior, and never received response. Bill cleared with AmExp, and fortunately back to normalcy.

Buyer beware as criminal activity increase exponentially !
Yikes! Yeah, from now on I will sell at Guitar Center or find a local music program and give to them as a donation
 
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